IOM TT laptime on a standard production bike

[Esceptico]

Just out of curiosity...what sort of laptime/average speed do you think would be possible on a standard production bike (new Panigale/S1000RR) - assuming that it really is stock i.e. just as you would ride it our of the dealership?

[jackthelad1984]

Performance bikes did a feature on this at last years TT, there are videos of it on youtube I think.
https://www.performancebikes.co.uk/magazine-issues...

[Esceptico]

jackthelad1984 said:

Performance bikes did a feature on this at last years TT, there are videos of it on youtube I think.
https://www.performancebikes.co.uk/magazine-issues...

That should settle it...anyone have a copy of the magazine and can give the results?

[CypSIdders]

Lots of unknown factors, like rider and tyres for starters.
Ducati do not have as good a record at the IOM, when compared to the big four.
Last year the final finisher, in 45th position, in the Superstock race, had a race average of 112mph, on a 4 year old ZX10R.
That average race speed was 17mph slower than the winner, on a BMW S1000.

Pick a number.

[trickywoo]

Esceptico said:

That should settle it...anyone have a copy of the magazine and can give the results?

You can buy it for £4.30 off the link including P&P. Go on support the mag.

That being said it was 118mph lap on Metzler M7RR which Rutter said was the limiting factor. On SC or the like it would have been 120mph+ easy.

[robinh73]

A stock bike from the showroom is not a superstock machine. They will run on standard exhaust systems and stock suspension, where as a superstock bike will run a race exhaust system and different fork internals and rear shock. I also wouldn't fancy my chances on a Ducati around the Mountain Course, not up to the job at all.

[chris4652009]

The old "production 1000" class was closer to showroom than current superstock 1000 rules
what times were they running?

got to be high 120mph laps maybe very close to 130mph laps I'd have thought

[robinh73]

chris4652009 said:

The old "production 1000" class was closer to showroom than current superstock 1000 rules
what times were they running?

got to be high 120mph laps maybe very close to 130mph laps I'd have thought

I don't think that a total showroom bike would get near those times to be honest. Suspension would be the limiting factor on a showroom bike, plus stock bodywork and stock exhaust system.

[chris4652009]

robinh73 said:

chris4652009 said:

The old "production 1000" class was closer to showroom than current superstock 1000 rules
what times were they running?

got to be high 120mph laps maybe very close to 130mph laps I'd have thought

I don't think that a total showroom bike would get near those times to be honest. Suspension would be the limiting factor on a showroom bike, plus stock bodywork and stock exhaust system.

I think you'd be surprised

[robinh73]

chris4652009 said:

robinh73 said:

chris4652009 said:

The old "production 1000" class was closer to showroom than current superstock 1000 rules
what times were they running?

got to be high 120mph laps maybe very close to 130mph laps I'd have thought

I don't think that a total showroom bike would get near those times to be honest. Suspension would be the limiting factor on a showroom bike, plus stock bodywork and stock exhaust system.

I think you'd be surprised

From my experience, a road bike is massively different to my superstock machine. But in the hands of say Michael Dunlop, I am sure he would be quicker there than I am on my superstock bike. Certainly at all the other road races, I find my superstock bike easier to ride than a full blown superbike, so in the right hands it may be impressively high.

[Esceptico]

robinh73 said:

chris4652009 said:

robinh73 said:

chris4652009 said:

The old "production 1000" class was closer to showroom than current superstock 1000 rules
what times were they running?

got to be high 120mph laps maybe very close to 130mph laps I'd have thought

I don't think that a total showroom bike would get near those times to be honest. Suspension would be the limiting factor on a showroom bike, plus stock bodywork and stock exhaust system.

I think you'd be surprised

From my experience, a road bike is massively different to my superstock machine. But in the hands of say Michael Dunlop, I am sure he would be quicker there than I am on my superstock bike. Certainly at all the other road races, I find my superstock bike easier to ride than a full blown superbike, so in the right hands it may be impressively high.

The answer is already given above - 118 mph last year for an S1000RR, although with the assumption that with stickier road tyres (new SC) that could edge up to 120+

That is seriously impressive pace for a road legal bike you can walk in and buy for less than £20k.

Underlines quite seriously how little of the bike's ability gets used in normal road use.

[robinh73]

Quite amazing and makes you realise how much it costs to gain the extra speed. At the Ulster GP last year, having spent many many thousands on the bike over the winter, it added on about 10mph to the overall top speed. Not bad and money well spent, but it wasn't exactly value for money. But then since when has racing ever been value for money?

[chris4652009]

Esceptico said:

robinh73 said:

chris4652009 said:

robinh73 said:

chris4652009 said:

The old "production 1000" class was closer to showroom than current superstock 1000 rules
what times were they running?

got to be high 120mph laps maybe very close to 130mph laps I'd have thought

I don't think that a total showroom bike would get near those times to be honest. Suspension would be the limiting factor on a showroom bike, plus stock bodywork and stock exhaust system.

I think you'd be surprised

From my experience, a road bike is massively different to my superstock machine. But in the hands of say Michael Dunlop, I am sure he would be quicker there than I am on my superstock bike. Certainly at all the other road races, I find my superstock bike easier to ride than a full blown superbike, so in the right hands it may be impressively high.

The answer is already given above - 118 mph last year for an S1000RR, although with the assumption that with stickier road tyres (new SC) that could edge up to 120+

That is seriously impressive pace for a road legal bike you can walk in and buy for less than £20k.

Underlines quite seriously how little of the bike's ability gets used in normal road use.

ah well there you go, I didn't see that post
now we know

[graeme4130]

chris4652009 said:

Esceptico said:

robinh73 said:

chris4652009 said:

robinh73 said:

chris4652009 said:

The old "production 1000" class was closer to showroom than current superstock 1000 rules
what times were they running?

got to be high 120mph laps maybe very close to 130mph laps I'd have thought

I don't think that a total showroom bike would get near those times to be honest. Suspension would be the limiting factor on a showroom bike, plus stock bodywork and stock exhaust system.

I think you'd be surprised

From my experience, a road bike is massively different to my superstock machine. But in the hands of say Michael Dunlop, I am sure he would be quicker there than I am on my superstock bike. Certainly at all the other road races, I find my superstock bike easier to ride than a full blown superbike, so in the right hands it may be impressively high.

The answer is already given above - 118 mph last year for an S1000RR, although with the assumption that with stickier road tyres (new SC) that could edge up to 120+

That is seriously impressive pace for a road legal bike you can walk in and buy for less than £20k.

Underlines quite seriously how little of the bike's ability gets used in normal road use.

ah well there you go, I didn't see that post
now we know

Yeah, road tyres would be a massive limiting factor, that and (I'd guess) standard road pads and hoses as they'd got way hotter than they'd be comfortable with.
Most good road bikes now have adjustable suspension anyway, so although it's not the same as an out and out race fork kit/shock, you can still dial them in to be somewhere handy

[cbmotorsport]

Here is Rutter on a GSXR1000 with M7RR's on.

Worth a look. Makes your Sunday morning fast 'blat' look snail paced.

http://www.cambriantyres.co.uk/video-rutter-stock-...

[scunnylad]

I would guess around 125 would be achievable.

Rutter and Hickman were showboating half the time.
They were doing 114/115 in 89 on producrtion bikes with,supposedly standard suspension.
Main two bikes at the time were exup's and gsxr 1100 k's.
Leach,Hislop etc were doing 113/114 on rc30's and ow01 's in prod trim.

[Loyly]

I'd love to know what times less obvious bikes would post. Bikes we all know and love but that aren't obvious TT racers. They'd be off race pace by a good stretch but I bet they could give a good show!

VFR800/1200, K1300S, R1100S, ZX12R, ZXR1400, Super Blackbird etc etc.

[pmr01]

Loyly said:

I'd love to know what times less obvious bikes would post. Bikes we all know and love but that aren't obvious TT racers. They'd be off race pace by a good stretch but I bet they could give a good show!

VFR800/1200, K1300S, R1100S, ZX12R, ZXR1400, Super Blackbird etc etc.

I agree, I think that would be interesting. I have a zzr14 now (and s1000r which replaced an s1000rr) and they can keep up an incredible speed due to stability. Slow corners, not so much.

[Tango13]

Loyly said:

I'd love to know what times less obvious bikes would post. Bikes we all know and love but that aren't obvious TT racers. They'd be off race pace by a good stretch but I bet they could give a good show!

VFR800/1200, K1300S, R1100S, ZX12R, ZXR1400, Super Blackbird etc etc.

Steve Linsdell of Flitwick motorcycles raced a Yamaha GTS1000 fitted with a 750 engine at the 1995 F1 TT, the only bikes to beat him were the works Hondas.

[Gavia]

The last thread you started about bikes vs cars is still going mental amd has finally got onto the standard Ring vs TT debate.

I only have one thing to say. Stop saying stock, it’s standard