lithium battery
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RemaL

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25,103 posts

265 months

Friday 18th May 2018
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I am in Need of a replacement battery and looking at lithium battery. I know there have been a few threads like this over the years.

I'm only asking as the lithium battery seem to range from £70 approx to 3-4 times that.

So any recommendation.

I have a lithium charger for my kit car battery.
Just wanted to know what people recommend/use?

Mr OCD

6,388 posts

242 months

Friday 18th May 2018
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I’ve used SHORAI for a couple years now. They’ve been spot on.

anonymous-user

85 months

Friday 18th May 2018
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I've just bought a Shido lithium battery from sportsbikeshop its only been in a week but so far so good.

bimsb6

8,803 posts

252 months

Friday 18th May 2018
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I have one on my harley streetrod with no problem and 2 to go on the bimota . I got a good deal from www.taynabatteries.co.uk

gareth_r

6,785 posts

268 months

Friday 18th May 2018
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In researching lithium batteries, one thing I have noticed is that some suppliers (Motobatt, for example) make a big thing of their batteries' built-in discharge and overcharge protection, while others don't mention it.

http://www.motobatt.us/MPLTZ10S-HP-Motobatt-Lithiu...

Features
Motobatt Lithium batteries are around 3 times lighter than lead acid batteries
Designed to produce higher cranking performance for competition environments
Strong Starting Current, Reliable repeated start opportunities over a wide variety of conditions
Very Low “self-discharge” while in storage
Fast Recharge time, 6 minutes for up to 90% charge

Cell Balancing Circuit (CBC)
This is a key feature of Motobatt Lithium batteries over the competition. Dynamic cell balancing provides the ultimate in cell control giving superior performance, life span, and safety.
Each Motobatt Lithium battery contains a unique CBC, which controls the charge and discharge of the cells at all times, especially when currents can be unreliable when in actual use on the machine. Many competitors require you to buy their specific charger at a high cost because the CBC is in the charger, not the battery itself. This is inferior cell control since the only time the cells are properly controlled and balanced is when connected to a wall socket.

Protection Circuit Board (PCB)
Motobatt has developed the safest Lithium battery on the market today. Designed to reduce the threat of thermal runaway, premature battery failure, and unnecessary consumer warranty.
Special Features
Over Charge Protection: Prevents the machine, charger, or consumer applying damaging voltages to the battery.
Over Discharge Protection: Prevents the machine or consumer draining the battery to failure point by parasitic drain or battery application incompatibility. At 8V the battery will shut down to protect the cells from being discharged to failure. Simply recharge to full voltage and use again!
Reverse Polarity Protected: A common cause of warranty when battery is short circuited on install.
Prevents damages by non: Lithium chargers using de-sulphating mode or boost mode.
Thermal Protection: Built in temperature sensor activates shut down process before the battery can overheat.
Note:
Competitor batteries or standard P series Lithium Batteries may not recover from being drawn down under 8V. This is the leading cause of nuisance warranty for Lithium batteries.

Motobatt Pro Lithium batteries are a high performance racing battery designed to produce high cranking currents for short burst periods. Lithium starting batteries generally lack Amp Hour capacity and are not suitable for applications where high power loads are placed on the battery. Stereo systems, Grip and clothing heaters, winches, light bars etc. all draw excess loads and lithium starting batteries are not designed to cope with these loads. Always thoroughly assess the power requirements of your machine with all loads on with an experienced technician before making a decision to use a Lithium battery.

Please check FAQ section under Lithium batteries for more detailed information.

bogie

17,105 posts

303 months

Friday 18th May 2018
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For the last 5 years been running a Shorai in one bike and 3 years on Shido in another bike (came with it from new), Both fine. Shora has its own charge cable and charger. Shido I just use an Optimate lithium charger on it.

Cheapest weight to lose weight off the bike ,other than going on a diet yourself wink ....saved 12lb weight off the neck of one bike, it was noticeable....

poo at Paul's

14,621 posts

206 months

Friday 18th May 2018
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bogie said:
For the last 5 years been running a Shorai in one bike and 3 years on Shido in another bike (came with it from new), Both fine. Shora has its own charge cable and charger. Shido I just use an Optimate lithium charger on it.

Cheapest weight to lose weight off the bike ,other than going on a diet yourself wink ....saved 12lb weight off the neck of one bike, it was noticeable....
12 lb! Blimey, what's that on??



SAS Tom

3,755 posts

205 months

Friday 18th May 2018
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I’ve had a few jmt ones off eBay. They were recommended by a garage that runs them in their race bikes.

Probably the cheapest around and work spot on, no issues at all.

bogie

17,105 posts

303 months

Friday 18th May 2018
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poo at Paul's said:
bogie said:
For the last 5 years been running a Shorai in one bike and 3 years on Shido in another bike (came with it from new), Both fine. Shora has its own charge cable and charger. Shido I just use an Optimate lithium charger on it.

Cheapest weight to lose weight off the bike ,other than going on a diet yourself wink ....saved 12lb weight off the neck of one bike, it was noticeable....
12 lb! Blimey, what's that on??
Harley V-Rod...it had a big battery ...about 15lbs ish down to 4lbs for the Shorai smile

RemaL

Original Poster:

25,103 posts

265 months

Saturday 19th May 2018
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gareth_r said:
In researching lithium batteries, one thing I have noticed is that some suppliers (Motobatt, for example) make a big thing of their batteries' built-in discharge and overcharge protection, while others don't mention it.

http://www.motobatt.us/MPLTZ10S-HP-Motobatt-Lithiu...

Features
Motobatt Lithium batteries are around 3 times lighter than lead acid batteries
Designed to produce higher cranking performance for competition environments
Strong Starting Current, Reliable repeated start opportunities over a wide variety of conditions
Very Low “self-discharge” while in storage
Fast Recharge time, 6 minutes for up to 90% charge

Cell Balancing Circuit (CBC)
This is a key feature of Motobatt Lithium batteries over the competition. Dynamic cell balancing provides the ultimate in cell control giving superior performance, life span, and safety.
Each Motobatt Lithium battery contains a unique CBC, which controls the charge and discharge of the cells at all times, especially when currents can be unreliable when in actual use on the machine. Many competitors require you to buy their specific charger at a high cost because the CBC is in the charger, not the battery itself. This is inferior cell control since the only time the cells are properly controlled and balanced is when connected to a wall socket.

Protection Circuit Board (PCB)
Motobatt has developed the safest Lithium battery on the market today. Designed to reduce the threat of thermal runaway, premature battery failure, and unnecessary consumer warranty.
Special Features
Over Charge Protection: Prevents the machine, charger, or consumer applying damaging voltages to the battery.
Over Discharge Protection: Prevents the machine or consumer draining the battery to failure point by parasitic drain or battery application incompatibility. At 8V the battery will shut down to protect the cells from being discharged to failure. Simply recharge to full voltage and use again!
Reverse Polarity Protected: A common cause of warranty when battery is short circuited on install.
Prevents damages by non: Lithium chargers using de-sulphating mode or boost mode.
Thermal Protection: Built in temperature sensor activates shut down process before the battery can overheat.
Note:
Competitor batteries or standard P series Lithium Batteries may not recover from being drawn down under 8V. This is the leading cause of nuisance warranty for Lithium batteries.

Motobatt Pro Lithium batteries are a high performance racing battery designed to produce high cranking currents for short burst periods. Lithium starting batteries generally lack Amp Hour capacity and are not suitable for applications where high power loads are placed on the battery. Stereo systems, Grip and clothing heaters, winches, light bars etc. all draw excess loads and lithium starting batteries are not designed to cope with these loads. Always thoroughly assess the power requirements of your machine with all loads on with an experienced technician before making a decision to use a Lithium battery.

Please check FAQ section under Lithium batteries for more detailed information.
I' thinking that may be one of the reasons for the large difference in price then.

Twincharged

1,851 posts

236 months

Saturday 19th May 2018
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Skyrich are very reasonably priced, and are also a Ducati official supplier:
https://skyrichbatteries.co.uk/

They list the code of the equivalent Yuasa battery against each model, so if you don't know what battery you need for your bike it's probably easiest to look it up on the Yuasa site.

Outliar

116 posts

168 months

Saturday 19th May 2018
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I’ve been using Shorai for the last few years. One thing to watch out for is anything that draws power constantly, such as alarms etc. These batteries will hold charge for ages but if the charge goes below a certain level you can’t charge them any more. I had this problem with one of mine, and have since detached the offending power drain source (basically a power socket for the satnav).

Shorai’s Battery charger is a must if you get Shorai. It balances the cells. You can charge using an optimate or similar, but it will not be optimal.

Finally, Shorai’s customer service is first class. I contacted them recently about the battery drain problem I had. I received very detailed instructions try, in order to recover a drained battery. If that doesn’t work, their batteries have a 2 year replacement guarantee. After that, you can send the battery back for a replacement for 50% discount on a battery up to 5 years old.

rodericb

8,939 posts

157 months

Sunday 20th May 2018
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gareth_r said:
In researching lithium batteries, one thing I have noticed is that some suppliers (Motobatt, for example) make a big thing of their batteries' built-in discharge and overcharge protection, while others don't mention it.

http://www.motobatt.us/MPLTZ10S-HP-Motobatt-Lithiu...
I had a look on their website for a replacement. AGM is this: http://www.motobatt.us/MBT12B-4-Motobatt-12V-Batte... and, at a pinch, the lithium one to replace it is this: http://www.motobatt.us/MBT12B-4-Motobatt-12V-Batte...

Same price! $USD73.00.... How is that?

Ho Lee Kau

2,278 posts

156 months

Tuesday 22nd May 2018
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I put SHIDO Li-Ion in all my bikes now.

Not only does they decrease the weight by 2.2 kg on average but they hold charge better and they are not as bad in cold weather as one could expect.

Moreover, where I am at, for some bikes the standard battery is more expensive than Li-Ion.