Donor cards compulsory for motorcycle owners?
Discussion
matthias73 said:
No because we live in a free society and it may impact on their personal beliefs.
Start f
king around with stuff like that and you end up eroding other, more important things.
You could always write 'none of the above' on the card.Start f
king around with stuff like that and you end up eroding other, more important things.It saves a potentially awkward family discussion later on.
Depends where abouts you are, in Wales they have 'deemed consent' which essentially considers everyone an organ donor unless they specifically opt-out. A similar system is under consideration in England where they would deem you an organ donor unless you specifically opted out, although it's been "in the works" for a fair few years now, so here it still runs in an 'opt-in' system. (I don't know what the Scots run so cannot comment there)
Personal thoughts on it are that it shouldn't be 'compulsory' even if the proposed opt-out system comes into force as ultimately we have personal choice as a civil liberty which is extended to us as individuals for the sheer fact we live in a liberal democracy and not an authoritarian dictatorship. Sure, biking it risky, but so are many other activities, if you make it compulsory for one group of people you open a can of worms that would undermine the notions of civil liberties - going down a very dark, and very dangerous rabbit hole.
Now if you proposed moving to the deemed consent model where people have to consciously make an effort to tick a box to opt out then I am all for that as it would almost certainly up the amount of organ donors across a whole range of groups (rather than targeting one single group for a single category such as which form of transport they use), but it also continues the extend civil liberties to the individual to exercise their personal choice as they are able to opt-out for whatever reason they deem to do so.
As for RTA figures etc. - ultimately that is irrelevant to the question and is a bit of a straw-man argument in the same way that if a biker was to start calling for smokers/drinkers/drug takers etc. etc. to no longer have access to donated organs since those people chose to take part in risky activities and should do their bit for helping society by not taking donated lungs,livers,kidneys etc. - only fair.
Personal thoughts on it are that it shouldn't be 'compulsory' even if the proposed opt-out system comes into force as ultimately we have personal choice as a civil liberty which is extended to us as individuals for the sheer fact we live in a liberal democracy and not an authoritarian dictatorship. Sure, biking it risky, but so are many other activities, if you make it compulsory for one group of people you open a can of worms that would undermine the notions of civil liberties - going down a very dark, and very dangerous rabbit hole.
Now if you proposed moving to the deemed consent model where people have to consciously make an effort to tick a box to opt out then I am all for that as it would almost certainly up the amount of organ donors across a whole range of groups (rather than targeting one single group for a single category such as which form of transport they use), but it also continues the extend civil liberties to the individual to exercise their personal choice as they are able to opt-out for whatever reason they deem to do so.
As for RTA figures etc. - ultimately that is irrelevant to the question and is a bit of a straw-man argument in the same way that if a biker was to start calling for smokers/drinkers/drug takers etc. etc. to no longer have access to donated organs since those people chose to take part in risky activities and should do their bit for helping society by not taking donated lungs,livers,kidneys etc. - only fair.
zygalski said:
I think there's a decent case to be made. Especially considering the Saturday/Sunday riders I keep seeing on the B2089 approaching Rye.
They should do their bit to help society.
Only fair.
Only fair you say, what about all the obese people putting a strain on the NHS how about charging them extra for treatment, go and fThey should do their bit to help society.
Only fair.
k off somewhere else, rant over.zygalski said:
Accusations of trolling is a moron's way of trying to shut down discussion.
I'm perfectly serious about mandatory donor cards.
Remind me... what % of road traffic do motorbikes constitute, and what % of RTA fatalities are motorcycle riders and/or pillion riders?
Maybe it should be the morons on their phones/half asleep/chatting/smoking weed etc that pull out killing the riders that should have their organs removed for donation...except their SMIDSY brains that is.I'm perfectly serious about mandatory donor cards.
Remind me... what % of road traffic do motorbikes constitute, and what % of RTA fatalities are motorcycle riders and/or pillion riders?
Mmmm...so there about 600,000 deaths per year in the Uk, and 350 of them are motorcyclists......I cant imagine it will make any difference to organ availability to focus on such a niche of society.
Thousands more people from DIY accidents, perhaps inserting organ donor cards in the packaging of ladders and power tools would have a greater effect ?
Thousands more people from DIY accidents, perhaps inserting organ donor cards in the packaging of ladders and power tools would have a greater effect ?
zygalski said:
I think there's a decent case to be made. Especially considering the Saturday/Sunday riders I keep seeing on the B2089 approaching Rye.
They should do their bit to help society.
Only fair.
Come on now, in terms of contributing your choice of car suggests that you are not exactly a net payer into the tax system.They should do their bit to help society.
Only fair.
Better, surely, to make them compulsory for everyone on under £50k, and for those on under £40 we should just get to harvest their organs when needed, without all that bothersome waiting for them to die.
Only fair.
With the very weak assumption that the poster was making a serious point about organ donation: the DVLA has included a question about being put on the organ donor register when applying for a licence since 1994, and several years ago that was changed to be a compulsory question to complete the application - it's still possible not to, but the vast majority of people do register their preference (even if that's for no donation) on the register.
So if you got any kind of licence in the last 20+ years you're very likely to be on the organ donor register already. If you're the type to moan about motorcyclists then you're probably still clinging on to your old paper licence.
So if you got any kind of licence in the last 20+ years you're very likely to be on the organ donor register already. If you're the type to moan about motorcyclists then you're probably still clinging on to your old paper licence.
Mr2Mike said:
Maruchino said:
My spidey senses tell me that OP was not raising a genuine question... more making a point.
He was trying to provoke a reaction, same as always. I'd be quite keen on a troll organ card myself..
zygalski said:
Accusations of trolling is a moron's way of trying to shut down discussion.
I'm perfectly serious about mandatory donor cards.
Remind me... what % of road traffic do motorbikes constitute, and what % of RTA fatalities are motorcycle riders and/or pillion riders?
What %age of motorcyclists killed in RTAs have harvestable organs? How many of us already carry donor cards and have given our loved ones instructions that everything possible should be used?I'm perfectly serious about mandatory donor cards.
Remind me... what % of road traffic do motorbikes constitute, and what % of RTA fatalities are motorcycle riders and/or pillion riders?
Why are you asking such a stupid question? What can you, or anyone else, possibly gain from such a debate? It's hardly going to make it into law and how could it possibly be enforced, given the almost complete lack of enforcement of any traffic laws these days which aren't covered by cameras?
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