PB mag - tyre test and road bike TT update
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Sorry can't find the original thread but as there was interest in this last time thought I'd do an update on the Performance Bikes tyre test and also Rutter on the TT with a Panigale V4 Speciale.
Firstly its a great magazine and well worth the subscription.
Last time we had the road test part of the sports tyres when the M7RR came top. Quite a few people on the earlier thread said that track performance was lacking on these and the PB test highlighted this too. The M7RR was particularly marked down for exit grip vs a lot of the other tyres and fisished the track lest in 7th, out of 8. The scores weren't miles apart though.
The Bridgestone S21 was top on track, by a decent margin with Rosso Corsa II 2nd and Avon 3D 3rd.
Combined scores put the S21 top followed by M7RR equal with the Power RS. The Avon 3D was therefore 4th which given the price of a set is really good value.
For the TT test Rutter had two laps with fettling improving the second lap time to 123mph. This is compared to 122mph on the GSXR last year. The GSXR was on M7RRs and the V4 on much sportier what look like Supercorsas (they don't say what they are in the article I don't think).
Firstly its a great magazine and well worth the subscription.
Last time we had the road test part of the sports tyres when the M7RR came top. Quite a few people on the earlier thread said that track performance was lacking on these and the PB test highlighted this too. The M7RR was particularly marked down for exit grip vs a lot of the other tyres and fisished the track lest in 7th, out of 8. The scores weren't miles apart though.
The Bridgestone S21 was top on track, by a decent margin with Rosso Corsa II 2nd and Avon 3D 3rd.
Combined scores put the S21 top followed by M7RR equal with the Power RS. The Avon 3D was therefore 4th which given the price of a set is really good value.
For the TT test Rutter had two laps with fettling improving the second lap time to 123mph. This is compared to 122mph on the GSXR last year. The GSXR was on M7RRs and the V4 on much sportier what look like Supercorsas (they don't say what they are in the article I don't think).
Very interesting read on your post op
I just copied that and whatsapp'd my lot. I've said for sometime now as well as on here that the M7RR's are a good tyre and I have now run 2 fronts and 4 rears but they have 2 definite weaknesses (and when I say that they are by no means bad, just not as good as more sporty tyres). The first is exit grip, I've been caught out a few times with this and the second is going greasy when on any type of track. I found this at Snett when I did 1 session on them before it started raining. I wasn't going overly quick but 2.08s was my average in the session and they squirmed alot. They also looked very shiny when I came in unlike sportier tyres that have a matt finish. Also at Nurburgring I tucked the front momentarily and wasn't going overly fast.
They are a great if not one of the best all round tyres and I would say 8/10 for anyone using them but they are definitely sports tourer not full on sports as I see so many harp on about on FB saying you'll never find the limits.
I just copied that and whatsapp'd my lot. I've said for sometime now as well as on here that the M7RR's are a good tyre and I have now run 2 fronts and 4 rears but they have 2 definite weaknesses (and when I say that they are by no means bad, just not as good as more sporty tyres). The first is exit grip, I've been caught out a few times with this and the second is going greasy when on any type of track. I found this at Snett when I did 1 session on them before it started raining. I wasn't going overly quick but 2.08s was my average in the session and they squirmed alot. They also looked very shiny when I came in unlike sportier tyres that have a matt finish. Also at Nurburgring I tucked the front momentarily and wasn't going overly fast.
They are a great if not one of the best all round tyres and I would say 8/10 for anyone using them but they are definitely sports tourer not full on sports as I see so many harp on about on FB saying you'll never find the limits.
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With regards to the test you mention in the OP I am sure it was a totally blind test right? I can't recall the full results right now, but I am sure the M7RR came out on top with the Michelin Power RS coming out in second and the the Diablo Corsa??
With regards to the test you mention in the OP I am sure it was a totally blind test right? I can't recall the full results right now, but I am sure the M7RR came out on top with the Michelin Power RS coming out in second and the the Diablo Corsa??
airsafari87 said:
With regards to the test you mention in the OP I am sure it was a totally blind test right? I can't recall the full results right now, but I am sure the M7RR came out on top with the Michelin Power RS coming out in second and the the Diablo Corsa??
Totally blind.Two different riders providing feedback. Bike was a new GSXR 1000.
The results were as I said. This is a road biased sporty tyre test in two parts. Road and track. The M7 won on the road but was poor on track. The S21 won on the track and was good on road. When combined it came top.
There was a Rosso III and Roso Corsa II on test. The Rosso finished 6th out of eight and the Corsa 7th out of eight overall although the Corsa did well on track, coming second. It was poor on the road.
The overall place numbering in the article was incorrect I think as they had 2nd= and they have marked the 4th ranked tyre as 3rd with 7th the maximum which isn't right with eight tyres in the test.
chris4652009 said:
cbmotorsport said:
Avons were the 3D Ultra Sports right?
Keep looking at these, look fantastic value.
Been using M7RR's for the last couple of changes.
Avon used to be the "go to" for grip in the 80s (I always had them on my 350LC)Keep looking at these, look fantastic value.
Been using M7RR's for the last couple of changes.
good to hear they have made a comeback
cbmotorsport said:
chris4652009 said:
cbmotorsport said:
Avons were the 3D Ultra Sports right?
Keep looking at these, look fantastic value.
Been using M7RR's for the last couple of changes.
Avon used to be the "go to" for grip in the 80s (I always had them on my 350LC)Keep looking at these, look fantastic value.
Been using M7RR's for the last couple of changes.
good to hear they have made a comeback
I've never heard of modern Avon tyres until this post, been riding bikes since the late 80s
They need to sack their marketing team
The Avons on test are indeed the 3D Ultra Sport.
Did really well.
Agree about the marketing department wanting sacking. If someone asked me about Avons before I'd have said commuting / touring tyre, low end.
The PB mag guys seem to tell it like it is, unlike some other publications, so I trust the review.
Did really well.
Agree about the marketing department wanting sacking. If someone asked me about Avons before I'd have said commuting / touring tyre, low end.
The PB mag guys seem to tell it like it is, unlike some other publications, so I trust the review.
Birky_41 said:
Very interesting read on your post op
I've said for sometime now as well as on here that the M7RR's are a good tyre and I have now run 2 fronts and 4 rears but they have 2 definite weaknesses (and when I say that they are by no means bad, just not as good as more sporty tyres). The first is exit grip, I've been caught out a few times with this and the second is going greasy .
They also looked very shiny when I came in unlike sportier tyres that have a matt finish. Also at Nurburgring I tucked the front momentarily and wasn't going overly fast.
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Sorry for editing your post Birky but I have had some sI've said for sometime now as well as on here that the M7RR's are a good tyre and I have now run 2 fronts and 4 rears but they have 2 definite weaknesses (and when I say that they are by no means bad, just not as good as more sporty tyres). The first is exit grip, I've been caught out a few times with this and the second is going greasy .
They also looked very shiny when I came in unlike sportier tyres that have a matt finish. Also at Nurburgring I tucked the front momentarily and wasn't going overly fast.
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t your pants moments with the front at lean on these tires, I also have noticed after a good ride out regardless of speed the things feel shiny and smooth, I would expect them to fur up and feel grippy to the finger test at least on track but guess not . I have just put a new rear on my 1290 but after that I will change and I reckon there marketing blurb should change its demographic to sports touring like you said.
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