Bought a Harley with no logbook and DVLA doesn't recognise
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Hi all,
Got a real mystery here.
I purchased a 1995 Harley through Copart auctions (Sandy branch) with cat D accident damage and as is quite common with most of Copart vehicles, it didn't come with a logbook.
Should be straight forward to apply for a new logbook using a V62 form correct? No.
The V62 was returned back to me because DVLA have no record of the chassis number ever having been entered into the system and without the chassis number I cannot apply for a V5. And its definitely the correct chassis, no mistakes were made.
The chassis number on the purchase invoice matches the bike, and Three Cross Motorcycles Ltd was the Harley dealership who first registered and sold the bike. They confirm the chassis number is one of theirs and it was a standard UK sale when first sold. I asked what was the reg number it was first issued with to track it that way but as you guessed I hit the data protection wall on that.
The bike had no number plates when purchased from the auction and I have no idea how to proceed with this. I've got a screen printouts from the harley dealership confirming some more details about the bike including the spec list but nothing to indicate the reg number it was sold with.
So to sum up - The UK Harley Davidson main dealer confirms the chassis is one of theirs and it was originally sold in UK. But DVLA have no record of the chassis number - The same chassis number that Harley Davidson UK have no trouble identifying.
I'm a car exporter for over 15 years and know little about bikes - is this a common thing amongst motorcycles as I have never come across anything like this before and honesty have no idea where to even begin with this.
Any help would be greatly appreciated. i'm happy to supply full details including chassis number but am not sure if that would break any forum rules.
Thank you!
Peter
Got a real mystery here.
I purchased a 1995 Harley through Copart auctions (Sandy branch) with cat D accident damage and as is quite common with most of Copart vehicles, it didn't come with a logbook.
Should be straight forward to apply for a new logbook using a V62 form correct? No.
The V62 was returned back to me because DVLA have no record of the chassis number ever having been entered into the system and without the chassis number I cannot apply for a V5. And its definitely the correct chassis, no mistakes were made.
The chassis number on the purchase invoice matches the bike, and Three Cross Motorcycles Ltd was the Harley dealership who first registered and sold the bike. They confirm the chassis number is one of theirs and it was a standard UK sale when first sold. I asked what was the reg number it was first issued with to track it that way but as you guessed I hit the data protection wall on that.
The bike had no number plates when purchased from the auction and I have no idea how to proceed with this. I've got a screen printouts from the harley dealership confirming some more details about the bike including the spec list but nothing to indicate the reg number it was sold with.
So to sum up - The UK Harley Davidson main dealer confirms the chassis is one of theirs and it was originally sold in UK. But DVLA have no record of the chassis number - The same chassis number that Harley Davidson UK have no trouble identifying.
I'm a car exporter for over 15 years and know little about bikes - is this a common thing amongst motorcycles as I have never come across anything like this before and honesty have no idea where to even begin with this.
Any help would be greatly appreciated. i'm happy to supply full details including chassis number but am not sure if that would break any forum rules.
Thank you!
Peter
AceOfHearts said:
Maybe the chassis number was not entered correctly onto its V5 in the first place, in which case you could be playing guess the typo.
Wouldn't be the first time ive seen wrong information on a V5.
Yup - usually too many or too few zeros.Wouldn't be the first time ive seen wrong information on a V5.
If you do a HPI check yourself, you can play around with the chassis number until there is a match, hopefully!
gareth_r said:
Why do Three Cross believe that the registration mark falls under data protection law? The only way you can link it to any personal data is through the records held by the DVLA.
Try a post on the "Speed, Plod and the Law" sub-forum. Perhaps one of the PH resident lawyers can clarify the law on registration marks/personal data.Many thanks for all the responses. Ructions and AOH I agree, I'm convinced DVLA have made an error regarding the chassis.
Unfortunately the HPI doesn't show up anything with the Chassis and niether do any of the vehicle lookup systems I have access to. I think all these websites and programs get their information from the same central database. If it isn't in the database to begin with then none of these other sites will help.
I have since found out the reg number on the tax disk that it was last issued with till the end July 2015. N333 HOG. Still nothing shows up for it on HPI or anywhere else.
If memory serves me right - N reg was issued in 1995. What are the chances that 1995 Harley was issued that plate straight from the dealership? I'm 99% sure that is a private plate that hasn't been on another vehicle since 2015.
So I have both a chassis and reg number but still cannot get anywhere as neither DVLA, HPI or any other vehicle lookup program brings up any information regarding this.
Anyone know of any website that can trace the history of a private reg that is currently on retention? If so, then hopefully I can get the original VRM that this plate replaced and then i can easily find the history.
Thanks again for all your help guys!
Unfortunately the HPI doesn't show up anything with the Chassis and niether do any of the vehicle lookup systems I have access to. I think all these websites and programs get their information from the same central database. If it isn't in the database to begin with then none of these other sites will help.
I have since found out the reg number on the tax disk that it was last issued with till the end July 2015. N333 HOG. Still nothing shows up for it on HPI or anywhere else.
If memory serves me right - N reg was issued in 1995. What are the chances that 1995 Harley was issued that plate straight from the dealership? I'm 99% sure that is a private plate that hasn't been on another vehicle since 2015.
So I have both a chassis and reg number but still cannot get anywhere as neither DVLA, HPI or any other vehicle lookup program brings up any information regarding this.
Anyone know of any website that can trace the history of a private reg that is currently on retention? If so, then hopefully I can get the original VRM that this plate replaced and then i can easily find the history.
Thanks again for all your help guys!
HPI doesn't show you the chassis number, but it allows you to enter one and see if it matches their (from DVLA), record.
It'll tell you if it doesn't match, hence the suggestion to try with more / less zeros etc.
It works, I had to do this to work out why a (re)registration was being denied on an old Yamaha. DVLA had missed a leading zero on the engine number, on their records and hence the original V5.
It'll tell you if it doesn't match, hence the suggestion to try with more / less zeros etc.
It works, I had to do this to work out why a (re)registration was being denied on an old Yamaha. DVLA had missed a leading zero on the engine number, on their records and hence the original V5.
Thanks Dupree I will try what you suggest and see if i get lucky.
Ructions I couldn't believe it when I punched in M333 HOG and it came up with a Harley! Admittedly everything else is wrong and neither chassis, year or model doesn't match. I'm so desperate at this point I might just file down the original chassis and restamp it with that one just so it matches!
Ructions I couldn't believe it when I punched in M333 HOG and it came up with a Harley! Admittedly everything else is wrong and neither chassis, year or model doesn't match. I'm so desperate at this point I might just file down the original chassis and restamp it with that one just so it matches!
OP have you tried a Trade HPI ,not the retail version the public get? I used to buy plenty of ex track and race bikes and as they predominantly came with no v5 etc it allowed me to weed out the dodgy ones from the legit ones. Also found the original registration for a fair few that were built from registered roadbikes.
Pid said:
Thanks Dupree I will try what you suggest and see if i get lucky.
Ructions I couldn't believe it when I punched in M333 HOG and it came up with a Harley! Admittedly everything else is wrong and neither chassis, year or model doesn't match. I'm so desperate at this point I might just file down the original chassis and restamp it with that one just so it matches!
I know it's a half joking reply, but don't do this. Ructions I couldn't believe it when I punched in M333 HOG and it came up with a Harley! Admittedly everything else is wrong and neither chassis, year or model doesn't match. I'm so desperate at this point I might just file down the original chassis and restamp it with that one just so it matches!
I registered a bike that had been off the road for ages, no logbook etc. But I had the old number plates and the frame number. Owners club confirmed it was all good, numbers were genuine gave me a certificate to register it. The DVLA said somebody was already using my frame number and plate (fraudulently). Not sure what happened to them, but the frame number is still on my bike and displaying the original reg. I'm guessing someone got a hold of the old buff logbook and went about making their own little recreation. They probably got a few decades of use out of it while the real bike languished in a shed before I found it. Wonder if they had it seized or anything. Strange one!
The plate M333 HOG might be worth a few £, the stock exchange sign for Harley is HOG, and that is also the Harley Owners Group? Looks like a vanity plate. Will be amazed if those were issued from new!
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