CTEK killed my bike battery
CTEK killed my bike battery
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anonymous-user

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85 months

Tuesday 28th May 2019
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Last summer I put a new AGM battery in my motorbike. I also bought a new XS 0.8 charger by CTEK. It’s the smallest one they do and in the instructions it’s says it’s fine for AGM batteries. It’s been left connected for months and all the lights on the charger were green saying it’s fully charged. However when I tried to start the bike it’s as dead as a dodo. Anyone else had this happen?

phil4

1,651 posts

269 months

Tuesday 28th May 2019
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I've a CTEK on one of my cars, and suffered something similar. The CTEK had been on for months, the car wouldn't start, leave the CTEK on for an hour or two and it started fine.

The CTEK seemed to get "reset" by the car attempting to start... and then saw it's job to charge it.

I've now taken to disconnecting/turning them off for a few minutes every few weeks.

I can't prove it was the CTEK, may have been a loose wire, sticky starter etc... but since I've been restarting the charger I've not had any problems. That could still be coincidence.

Krikkit

27,938 posts

212 months

Tuesday 28th May 2019
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Maybe it's worth investing in one of those cheap digital plug timers from eBay? We have one that does a 14-day calendar, so you could have it switch off for 12 hours every couple of weeks.

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

85 months

Tuesday 28th May 2019
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Hmmm I assumed the charger had over charged the battery and knackered it. Managed to bump start the bike and even after a few miles riding and stopping for petrol it still wouldn’t start. Bike was on its way for a service so I asked them to put another new battery on it. I’m wondering if the charger itself is faulty although it appears to be functioning as it should. Perhaps it was just a duff battery although I know AGM batteries can be fussy and are easily overcharged.

phil4

1,651 posts

269 months

Tuesday 28th May 2019
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I thought it was the battery at first, but was told otherwise when it was serviced.

If you read here: http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?465219-Ct... you'll see others with CTEK chargers looking like everything is ok, but not actually charging.

So yes, your battery may be dead, it may be a bad battery, but evidence suggest there's also a reasonably chance it's the charger. I like the idea of the timer, may look into that, save me remembering.

dibblecorse

7,649 posts

223 months

Tuesday 28th May 2019
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I was advised ages ago to not run chargers 'constantly' so every few weeks I flick the one on the Pani off and then a few days later pop it back on, did the same with the bikes before it too.

The Moose

23,688 posts

240 months

Tuesday 28th May 2019
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This is a huge long shot, but was the bike in a carcoon by any chance?

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

85 months

Tuesday 28th May 2019
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The Moose said:
This is a huge long shot, but was the bike in a carcoon by any chance?
No, just in the corner of a regular garage. Been plugged in for several months though. I have a 24 timer so I’ll set it so it only comes on for an hour each day and see what happens.

George Smiley

5,048 posts

112 months

Tuesday 28th May 2019
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Ctek didn’t kill your battery and it’s bad naming and shaming

Julian Thompson

2,717 posts

269 months

Tuesday 28th May 2019
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I’m in the business of automotive batteries and although I use conditioners for convenience when storing a vehicle for short periods we need to be clear that using them long term will shorten the life of the battery compared to the alternative, which is...

... remove the battery from the vehicle. Fully charge. Store in a cool dry place and ensure it is off the floor (a sturdy shelf is excellent). Stored like this a battery can have a top up charge once every six months and they will last a long time. Not convenient obviously, but that’s the optimum.

SAS Tom

3,755 posts

205 months

Tuesday 28th May 2019
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I just leave the bike as is. I started my bike first go after 6 months off, no need to keep it on a charger for so long. My dad goes months without riding his bikes but never needs to charge the batteries either.

CABC

6,307 posts

132 months

Tuesday 28th May 2019
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Julian Thompson said:
I’m in the business of automotive batteries and although I use conditioners for convenience when storing a vehicle for short periods we need to be clear that using them long term will shorten the life of the battery .
interesting, why is this?
i've taken the path of using a conditioner on a daily timer. 6 hrs a day for .8amp seems plenty for maintenance and avoids these issues that continually come up about long term use. i 'appear' to have suffered killed batteries, although maybe the ctek was just masking a problem.

Julian Thompson

2,717 posts

269 months

Tuesday 28th May 2019
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CABC said:
Julian Thompson said:
I’m in the business of automotive batteries and although I use conditioners for convenience when storing a vehicle for short periods we need to be clear that using them long term will shorten the life of the battery .
interesting, why is this?
i've taken the path of using a conditioner on a daily timer. 6 hrs a day for .8amp seems plenty for maintenance and avoids these issues that continually come up about long term use. i 'appear' to have suffered killed batteries, although maybe the ctek was just masking a problem.
First of all, each bike/car presents a different issue. Some vehicles basically have an ignition on/off switch that essentially acts like a battery disconnect. Others have an almost unbelievable array of systems that sleep in the background but still consume energy. Others have faults that stop things sleeping, or faults that allow current to leak (alternators etc.)

So, each vehicle is somewhat unique.

If you consider a situation where there is *some* current usage by the vehicle then that effectively means that there is a load on the battery that will eventually flatten it. Charging (or loading) battery in any way creates a chemical reaction inside the battery which can not continue to take place forever. Technically, charging a battery forces ions from the cathode to the anode. Using the battery reverses the flow. Eventually the cathode gets worn out.

Depending on the load/charge profile presented the battery has a finite life. It even has a finite life without any load, of course, but the reality is that the life is longer when left steady state fully charged and without load/charge applied.

Edited by Julian Thompson on Tuesday 28th May 18:23

CABC

6,307 posts

132 months

Tuesday 28th May 2019
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makes sense. charging a connected battery wears it out.
so for an occasionally used bike where removing would be a pita, it's best to disconnect and maybe have the ctek on for an hour or so each week.

podman

9,085 posts

271 months

Tuesday 28th May 2019
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CABC said:
makes sense. charging a connected battery wears it out.
so for an occasionally used bike where removing would be a pita, it's best to disconnect and maybe have the ctek on for an hour or so each week.
Makes common sense Id say..

Once a week?l....you can reliably get away with charging a battery once a month over Winter , at most, ive never had to charge a battery( fitted to a bike in regular use) at all over Summer...


Julian Thompson

2,717 posts

269 months

Tuesday 28th May 2019
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CABC said:
makes sense. charging a connected battery wears it out.
so for an occasionally used bike where removing would be a pita, it's best to disconnect and maybe have the ctek on for an hour or so each week.
As podman says, you don’t need to be quite as dedicated. Charge it fully, disconnect it. Depending on the condition of the battery and the garage temperature and temperature variation you can get away with several months like that. Then just charge up and off you go.

Conditioners have a great use where you want a car or bike on the button that you’re using once a month or whatever and it’s too much of a faff to disconnect.

They also have a use where the vehicle manufacturer has badly/maliciously designed the vehicle where disconnecting of the power source results in disruptive behaviour.

SVS

3,824 posts

302 months

Tuesday 28th May 2019
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Julian Thompson said:
I’m in the business of automotive batteries and although I use conditioners for convenience when storing a vehicle for short periods we need to be clear that using them long term will shorten the life of the battery compared to the alternative ...
Very useful info!

It's a shame the marketing for trickle chargers infers that you can (should?) use them long-term confused

Ho Lee Kau

2,278 posts

156 months

Wednesday 29th May 2019
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My car sits weeks at a time on CTEK loader, for years now, no problems so far.

Dave.

7,901 posts

284 months

Wednesday 29th May 2019
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George Smiley said:
Ctek didn’t kill your battery and it’s bad naming and shaming
They don't sell or advertise on PH though, so it's fine....

Mention a certain warranty company though.... rolleyes

sprinter1050

11,550 posts

258 months

Wednesday 29th May 2019
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Julian Thompson said:
I’m in the business of automotive batteries and although I use conditioners for convenience when storing a vehicle for short periods we need to be clear that using them long term will shorten the life of the battery compared to the alternative ...
Out of curiousity how long on average should a bike battery last?

I just replaced the original factory one on the Honda after it stopped holding a charge 5 years from new. I cover maybe 1500-2000 miles p a & had it on an optimate-type thing continuously when standing.