Best 50cc bike - old one though
Best 50cc bike - old one though
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joestifff

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890 posts

137 months

Tuesday 25th June 2019
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I will be going on a bit of a bike tour with friends next year. We have decided to only take 50cc maximum bikes, preferably old ones too.

I have been looking at the Yamaha Fizzy and Honda Express. I don't really want to spend over £1k on this little adventure. I am not a big bloke so at leat my small frame will not hold me back. But I am thinking for optimum speed I want a two stroke.

Anything else I should be looking for, anyone advise something better. I do not want one of these new Chinese bikes, nor a vespa style scooter. Something with a bit of comedy behind it!

trickywoo

14,257 posts

261 months

Tuesday 25th June 2019
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joestifff said:
I will be going on a bit of a bike tour with friends next year. We have decided to only take 50cc maximum bikes, preferably old ones too.
I can kind of see what you may be trying to do but I guarantee for any kind of tour 50cc isn't going to be funny for too long.

We of course have no idea what kind of tour you are talking about but if you want any flexibility in the journey(s) you might need to do a bike capable of at least 60mph is a really good idea. Even a tuned classic running some performance parts will really struggle past 50, on the flat.

poo at Paul's

14,620 posts

206 months

Tuesday 25th June 2019
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MT5 / MT50

Fire99

9,868 posts

260 months

Tuesday 25th June 2019
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Kawasaki AR50.. (Easy to make 93cc but that would break the rules of your trip smile ) Go pretty well with aftermarket exhaust.
Yamaha DT50MX .. I had one brand new. Went very well with a replacement front pipe.
Suzuki TS50X - Nice bike. Looked good quality when I was a young lad
Honda MTX50 - Seemed rarer at the time but looked ok.

Personally, I'd avoid the MT5 (Honda) as it looked like a kids toy and a bit naff (and a mates one was very very slow) compared to all of the above, (when I was 16 and buying my first bike)

srob

12,556 posts

269 months

Tuesday 25th June 2019
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trickywoo said:
I can kind of see what you may be trying to do but I guarantee for any kind of tour 50cc isn't going to be funny for too long.

We of course have no idea what kind of tour you are talking about but if you want any flexibility in the journey(s) you might need to do a bike capable of at least 60mph is a really good idea. Even a tuned classic running some performance parts will really struggle past 50, on the flat.
I wouldn’t be so sure. Bloke I work with goes on a moped tour with all his mates every year.

This year they’re riding from Dublin to the Dingle Peninsula, can’t remember how many days over but it’s 125 miles a day. There’s about 30 of them doing it and they’re all in there 40s-60s and on 30+ year old 50cc machines.

He loves it, reckons it’s an awesome laugh and a proper adventure!

CAPP0

20,881 posts

234 months

Tuesday 25th June 2019
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I think you can discount the Fizzy, have you checked the prices of a running one? For £1000 you'll be doing the trip on foot with a pile of Yamaha parts in a rucksack!

gregs656

12,404 posts

212 months

Tuesday 25th June 2019
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You could look for an FS1 which are no where near as valuable as the older fizzys.

If you jump up to 125s I think you'd have more options and a better time, the old mopeds have huge nostalgia value as first bikes in a way I don't think the 125s do.

Riding something bigger gives you more flexibility on routes and more options if things don't go to plan - A roads basically.

Turn7

25,768 posts

252 months

Tuesday 25th June 2019
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TS50ER is the biggest of that era.....

The MT/MTX were woefully slow

The Kwaks were cheap and easy to big bore etc.....

NITO

1,336 posts

237 months

Wednesday 26th June 2019
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Aprilia AF1 50!

jr6yam

1,363 posts

214 months

Wednesday 26th June 2019
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Suzuki AP50
Similar looks to a fizzy, and a 5 speed box

Rubin215

4,201 posts

187 months

Wednesday 26th June 2019
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Any Chinese QT-50 scooter (loads of different manufacturers use the base scooter and put their own bodywork on it).

The engine is a 4-stroke, but if you do the valve clearances properly and adjust the carb so it gives you full throttle, it will comfortably do 45mph.

And if it breaks down irreparably while you're on tour you can just lob it in a skip without caring...

Ilovejapcrap

3,311 posts

143 months

Wednesday 26th June 2019
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i did something like this a few years ago only everyone had to be on a Honda c90.

I'd up the cc to 125 for your sanity to be honest.

Triaguar

928 posts

244 months

Wednesday 26th June 2019
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It has to be Honda Cub. I had one as a first bike and travelled all over the country on it. Never failed and fast enough to negotiate traffic. As e anyone on this forum knows.....You meet the nicest people on a Honda......

stu67

891 posts

219 months

Wednesday 26th June 2019
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Honda C50, my first bike. I loved that thing and really you could not kill it. It was a 1973 version that I pulled out of a shed of a friend of my mums, bloke next door repaired the rear frame by screwing a big chunk of alloy each side and I was away.
All my mates had new DT50's or RD50's ? if I can remember, my C50 was a far better bike.

telecat

8,528 posts

272 months

Wednesday 26th June 2019
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Most of the Peds mentioned here are Post 30mph limit no pedals. Hence speed wise they won't be spectacular. Anything Prior to the "S" suffix will be unlimited and have pedals of some sort to comply with the regs. The Fizz is the most famed of those with the Fantic Caballero being the fastest if a little fragile. Due to the nostalgia market and the limited number available £1000 will only buy a bike that will need rebuilding at best I'm afraid.

lazybike

1,009 posts

122 months

Wednesday 26th June 2019
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Just get whatever for a grand and ride slow.

joestifff

Original Poster:

890 posts

137 months

Wednesday 26th June 2019
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Thanks guys some useful info.

It has to be a 50cc or less ... thems the rules!!!!

We have done this type of thing before for years, but with 125cc, I had a Honda CG which I loved so much it became my daily. I now have a 1981 CB205N which I also love.

I know I will end up keeping this new 50cc, if I get it back. I want it old as I prefer the older bikes, and I certainly don't want a Chinese import new twist and go thing.

For reference, one of the bikes purchased already is a very early Honda Melody!

My current watch list on eBay is mainly Honda Express from the late 70s early 80s. I love the Fizzy but have as mentioned above, ruled it out due to price!

My current favourites are:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/honda-express/254272069...
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1978-HONDA-50-EXPRESS-I...
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-express-50cc/2235...

Cheers for all your help. If anyone knows anyone selling a good bike let me know. I shall keep you updated on my search!

joestifff

Original Poster:

890 posts

137 months

Wednesday 26th June 2019
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The other annoyance is that the bottom two on my list above are my favourites. But I live in North Yorkshire.

5 Hours is a long trek each way for a cheap bike. Has anyone any experience with these dodgy man with van people on eBay?

shakotan

10,862 posts

227 months

Wednesday 26th June 2019
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Rubin215 said:
Any Chinese QT-50 scooter (loads of different manufacturers use the base scooter and put their own bodywork on it).

The engine is a 4-stroke, but if you do the valve clearances properly and adjust the carb so it gives you full throttle, it will comfortably do 45mph.

And if it breaks down irreparably while you're on tour you can just lob it in a skip without caring...
Well done for not reading the requirements properly.

Whatsmyname

944 posts

108 months

Wednesday 26th June 2019
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NITO said:
Aprilia AF1 50!
Winner. Liquid cooled too.