Winter commuting on a Honda CRF250L - good idea or not
Winter commuting on a Honda CRF250L - good idea or not
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amancalledrob

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1,248 posts

165 months

Tuesday 24th September 2019
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Hi

I commute 15 miles each way on mostly nsl roads on a Honda Forza 300. I bought it because it's comfy, has luggage space and weather protection and no chain to look after.

It's a nice place to be but I tried a CRF the other day just for a laugh and I loved it. I don't have room in the garage (or permission...) for multiple toys and I've already got a Blade so if I want a CRF it has to replace the scoot.

What do you guys think of commuting on one, potentially in the rain, with the chunky tyres it comes with? Will it end in a hedge or do you think I'll be ok?

starf

97 posts

191 months

Tuesday 24th September 2019
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In my experience, knobbly tyres in the wet are not fun. Together with a lack of ABS makes things interesting. You may be able to put some street tyres on to improve the on-road handling. Knobbies wear out easily, hum, and vibrate.

Depending on your commute, you may find it difficult to overtake safely with it's limited power.

On the other hand, I can shave 2 minutes (!) off my commute by taking a shortcut through some trees.

amancalledrob

Original Poster:

1,248 posts

165 months

Tuesday 24th September 2019
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starf said:
In my experience, knobbly tyres in the wet are not fun. Together with a lack of ABS makes things interesting. You may be able to put some street tyres on to improve the on-road handling. Knobbies wear out easily, hum, and vibrate.

Depending on your commute, you may find it difficult to overtake safely with it's limited power.

On the other hand, I can shave 2 minutes (!) off my commute by taking a shortcut through some trees.
Thanks for the reply. I'll take a look at street tyres for it and may go down the supermoto route at some point. Re: overtaking, power is the same as the scoot but it's 20kg lighter - overtaking not much of an issue on the scooter so I'm hoping it'll be easier with gears.

With knobblies where do you find the problem in the wet, is it front end on corner entry or rear on corner exit? It has abs so at least that base is covered

V8RX7

28,982 posts

294 months

Tuesday 24th September 2019
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Knobblies are crap on tarmac in every way - look how small your contact patch is.

It's not as simple as changing tyres, you have to change the wheels (£3-500) used !

Personally I'd look at what supermotos are about

A500leroy

8,565 posts

149 months

Tuesday 24th September 2019
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You'd probably be dryer on the scoot, but your asking permission to go and buy the supermoto rent you?!
They did do a road version think it was called the 250M if you can find one.

Bikesalot

1,887 posts

189 months

Tuesday 24th September 2019
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I've got a CRF 250 Rally at the moment.

Oh it's a blast off road and manageable on road. I usually ride an Africa Twin so plenty wind and weather protection.

I was commuting last week on the CRF, just to see what it was like, within about 10 minutes I was cold, very cold and rather frustrated. This was on a dual carriage way though. The Rally has a screen...the L doesn't.
I think in the cold and wet it would be rather miserable, plus as others have mentioned there isn't much of a contact patch for road use.

Keep the scoot for the commute and buy the L for off road fun?

amancalledrob

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1,248 posts

165 months

Tuesday 24th September 2019
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A500leroy said:
...but your asking permission to go and buy the supermoto rent you?!
Er... maybe spin

Bikesalot said:
...I was commuting last week on the CRF, just to see what it was like, within about 10 minutes I was cold, very cold and rather frustrated. This was on a dual carriage way though. The Rally has a screen...the L doesn't.
I think in the cold and wet it would be rather miserable, plus as others have mentioned there isn't much of a contact patch for road use.

Keep the scoot for the commute and buy the L for off road fun?
This is a good point, it's going to be pretty cold and wet soon. Unfortunately funds won't stretch to a third bike, the scoot would deffo have to go - we've just bought a house, we got engaged in Jan and our first baby arrives in March. I've timed this poorly!

graham22

3,326 posts

236 months

Tuesday 24th September 2019
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I did quite a few miles on my CRF last weekend in alot of rain, D606 tyres didn't kill me!

They make a great 2nd bike.



(not last weekend!)

Edited by graham22 on Tuesday 24th September 20:56

jumpingloci

239 posts

246 months

Tuesday 24th September 2019
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I think the CRF250 L or Rally would make a good winter hack. If I remember rightly they have IRC GP2 tyres fitted as standard which are a knobbly but not an overly aggressive knobbly, if that makes sense. As long as you're not leaning on the front end too hard in the wet corners you'll have plenty of grip for day to day riding. And on the weekend you can go green laning. Best of both worlds. Plus there's plenty of well priced second hand ones about.

amancalledrob

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1,248 posts

165 months

Wednesday 25th September 2019
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jumpingloci said:
I think the CRF250 L or Rally would make a good winter hack. If I remember rightly they have IRC GP2 tyres fitted as standard which are a knobbly but not an overly aggressive knobbly, if that makes sense. As long as you're not leaning on the front end too hard in the wet corners you'll have plenty of grip for day to day riding. And on the weekend you can go green laning. Best of both worlds. Plus there's plenty of well priced second hand ones about.
Thanks, this is just the sort of advice I needed. I'll spend some time with one on Saturday and see how I feel about it. Usefully, the forecast is for rain which should make it a good test

Bumblebee7

1,533 posts

106 months

Wednesday 25th September 2019
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Keep us updated. I recently hired an enduro in Vietnam and really enjoyed it, then by chance in Honda I came across the CRF Rally and loved it. Really want to get it as a second bike (don't have the funds, but I can dream...). Would love to do some green laning on it.

bimsb6

8,799 posts

252 months

Wednesday 25th September 2019
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You will notice the lack of weather protection , trail bikes tend to spray a lot of water up from the front wheel .

bladerrw

141 posts

159 months

Wednesday 25th September 2019
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My son has had the Rally version for a year and put 8k miles on it commuting. It's been totally reliable, is in good shape and feels like it will last well.
Original tyres were OK and have just been changed for Heidenau's K60s which are cheap and an improvement.
80mpg I think. The Rally has a bigger tank and better weather protection.
Winding the rear preload up helped a lot.
He did the Honda off road course on one and ran rings around most of us on Africa Twins.

s2racer

123 posts

244 months

Friday 27th September 2019
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i had a 250M for about 18 months which is the road tyred SM version.. dinky wheels so no use off road but maybe better on road?

It was in its element zipping across the city imo. less so on NSL roads. i loved it, bulletproof, big mpg and comfy.. they look cool too biggrin

i swapped it for an XSR700.. even that, as a naked, is tiring on NSL in winter but i absolutely love it

i got a CRF450x as a project as the CRF450l was such a disappointment. its on good nobbly tyres, fine in the wet in my experience and goes up pavements like they arent there... when it fking stalls or i need to switch to reserve (all the time).. it has a tiny tank, drinks like a fish and is hard work maint wise... but bloody quick and likes a wheelie..

lifes too short to not scratch itches




A500leroy

8,565 posts

149 months

Friday 27th September 2019
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s2racer said:
i had a 250M for about 18 months which is the road tyred SM version.. dinky wheels so no use off road but maybe better on road?

It was in its element zipping across the city imo. less so on NSL roads. i loved it, bulletproof, big mpg and comfy.. they look cool too biggrin

i swapped it for an XSR700.. even that, as a naked, is tiring on NSL in winter but i absolutely love it

i got a CRF450x as a project as the CRF450l was such a disappointment. its on good nobbly tyres, fine in the wet in my experience and goes up pavements like they arent there... when it fking stalls or i need to switch to reserve (all the time).. it has a tiny tank, drinks like a fish and is hard work maint wise... but bloody quick and likes a wheelie..

lifes too short to not scratch itches

Sold my xsr hated the thing, the weights all in the wrong place, swapped it for a super cub

Kawasicki

14,404 posts

266 months

Friday 27th September 2019
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I commuted on a KTM enduro bike for a few years. It was a right laugh. Go for it!

Biker 1

8,602 posts

150 months

Saturday 28th September 2019
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Kawasicki said:
I commuted on a KTM enduro bike for a few years. It was a right laugh. Go for it!
Me too - 690 Enduro R. I had to compromise on tyres in the end & got dual sport. OK on road, but crap in mud. It was all a good laugh, but a compromise too far. If only I could afford two bikes...

Simes205

5,028 posts

259 months

Saturday 28th September 2019
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I’ve been having to commute on my NC30 into town for the last few weeks whilst I wait for my new Vespa.
It wasn’t as bad as you think.

A500leroy

8,565 posts

149 months

Friday 4th October 2019
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I stand corrected!
Went to have my bike serviced at Honda this week and they had one in the show room, the size of it was intimidating but my god when i sat on it was so light, and the thing sinks down like its on air suspension so you can flat foot it, I need to ride one but its earmarked as a possible next bike now.

mad4amanda

2,410 posts

195 months

Friday 4th October 2019
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They are great used one for a while last winter and some great deals about especially on the rally