KTM super bike ?
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I cant see it but does any one think KTM will produce another superbike? I guess most people are aware of the famous announcement by the CEO after pulling the plug on the last of the RC8r bikes,
Are they in moto GP just to prove a point ! The way the world is heading with motor vehicles to the near future I don't think they will produce a super bike again for the road but I could be wrong.
Are they in moto GP just to prove a point ! The way the world is heading with motor vehicles to the near future I don't think they will produce a super bike again for the road but I could be wrong.
I think it's daft to be producing bikes for MotoGP and not take advantage of selling something in the showroom - make a production engine based on the GP one, use the same frame etc... You could even reuse a lot of bits from the 1290 SDR.
Hell there's a market for £20k+ bikes at the moment, why not join in? They must be able to make a few quid and have the excitement of a halo model.
Hell there's a market for £20k+ bikes at the moment, why not join in? They must be able to make a few quid and have the excitement of a halo model.
No,
KTM's MotoGP involvement gives their 390 range a veneer of kudos and cool in their major markets.
Unlike the in the UK, Asian (amongst many other) markets are heavily taxed against bikes over 400/500cc so it's not worth investing millions of dollars in development to achieve a few hundred sales a year in a notoriously capricious market.
Here in Vietnam there's plenty of KTM 390's running around and quite a few official dealers as they're seen as a premium and aspirational product especially in MotoGP aping paintwork.
By comparison, a 1290 GT or Super Adventure is north of $50k here due to the import taxes and at that amount 99% of people who have that kind of money will buy a car which is a far bigger status "statement"
Looking at their sales numbers it seems KTM know their audience and are hitting it out of the park.......
KTM's MotoGP involvement gives their 390 range a veneer of kudos and cool in their major markets.
Unlike the in the UK, Asian (amongst many other) markets are heavily taxed against bikes over 400/500cc so it's not worth investing millions of dollars in development to achieve a few hundred sales a year in a notoriously capricious market.
Here in Vietnam there's plenty of KTM 390's running around and quite a few official dealers as they're seen as a premium and aspirational product especially in MotoGP aping paintwork.
By comparison, a 1290 GT or Super Adventure is north of $50k here due to the import taxes and at that amount 99% of people who have that kind of money will buy a car which is a far bigger status "statement"
Looking at their sales numbers it seems KTM know their audience and are hitting it out of the park.......
Edited by Steve Bass on Friday 27th September 08:04
Steve Bass said:
No,
KTM's MotoGP involvement gives their 390 range a veneer of kudos and cool in their major markets.
Unlike the in the UK, Asian (amongst many other) markets are heavily taxed against bikes over 400/500cc so it's not worth investing millions of dollars in development to achieve a few hundred sales a year in a notoriously capricious market.
Here in Vietnam there's plenty of KTM 390's running around and quite a few official dealers as they're seen as a premium and aspirational product especially in MotoGP aping paintwork.
By comparison, a 1290 GT or Super Adventure is north of $50k here due to the import taxes and at that amount 99% of people who have that kind of money will buy a car which is a far bigger status "statement"
Looking at their sales numbers it seems KTM know their audience and are hitting it out of the park.......
Very informative , there motivation in MotoGP makes a little more sense now. KTM's MotoGP involvement gives their 390 range a veneer of kudos and cool in their major markets.
Unlike the in the UK, Asian (amongst many other) markets are heavily taxed against bikes over 400/500cc so it's not worth investing millions of dollars in development to achieve a few hundred sales a year in a notoriously capricious market.
Here in Vietnam there's plenty of KTM 390's running around and quite a few official dealers as they're seen as a premium and aspirational product especially in MotoGP aping paintwork.
By comparison, a 1290 GT or Super Adventure is north of $50k here due to the import taxes and at that amount 99% of people who have that kind of money will buy a car which is a far bigger status "statement"
Looking at their sales numbers it seems KTM know their audience and are hitting it out of the park.......
Edited by Steve Bass on Friday 27th September 08:04
Biker's Nemesis said:
Would you buy one Mak?
No mate, much as I love the looks of the latest superbikes I'm done unless I win the lottery, 20k plus and the thoughts of pain after 50 miles isn't my idea of a wise purchase 
. I will treat myself to a new naked next year and keep the RC8r for the odd ride . mak said:
Very informative , there motivation in MotoGP makes a little more sense now.
To put some context on the post above, Saigon has 13m inhabitants and 9m scooters. That's Saigon ONLY. Vietnam has 90m population and alm70m scooters.Now consider the similar regional numbers for Indonesia, Malaysia, Laos, Cambodia etc etc. All have burgeoning populations and low per capita incomes meaning if you own a scooter the next aspirational step is a big bike. A car is a couple of lifetimes away so the market dynamics mean bikes like the KTM 390 have relevance in suck markets and will sell based on their halo product placement. Developed places like the UK where you can buy a car for your child for buttons and the abhorent idea of your little cherub risking life and limb on 2 wheels is predominate means markets like the UK are meaningless.
Consider how many scooters Honda sell each DAY in Asia and the small market share for someone like KTM translates into significant numbers.
Steve Bass said:
No,
KTM's MotoGP involvement gives their 390 range a veneer of kudos and cool in their major markets.
Unlike the in the UK, Asian (amongst many other) markets are heavily taxed against bikes over 400/500cc so it's not worth investing millions of dollars in development to achieve a few hundred sales a year in a notoriously capricious market.
Here in Vietnam there's plenty of KTM 390's running around and quite a few official dealers as they're seen as a premium and aspirational product especially in MotoGP aping paintwork.
By comparison, a 1290 GT or Super Adventure is north of $50k here due to the import taxes and at that amount 99% of people who have that kind of money will buy a car which is a far bigger status "statement"
Looking at their sales numbers it seems KTM know their audience and are hitting it out of the park.......
Great post. Is there much bike theft out there?KTM's MotoGP involvement gives their 390 range a veneer of kudos and cool in their major markets.
Unlike the in the UK, Asian (amongst many other) markets are heavily taxed against bikes over 400/500cc so it's not worth investing millions of dollars in development to achieve a few hundred sales a year in a notoriously capricious market.
Here in Vietnam there's plenty of KTM 390's running around and quite a few official dealers as they're seen as a premium and aspirational product especially in MotoGP aping paintwork.
By comparison, a 1290 GT or Super Adventure is north of $50k here due to the import taxes and at that amount 99% of people who have that kind of money will buy a car which is a far bigger status "statement"
Looking at their sales numbers it seems KTM know their audience and are hitting it out of the park.......
NITO said:
Great post. Is there much bike theft out there?
Thank you...For some models theft is more prevalent but still at a very low rate of incidence. I don't know anyone who's had their bike swiped but......
Yamaha Exciter 150 2012 vintage are well loved by the racing community....engine is very tuneable. Not so the current models apparently
Suzuki RGV 120 because they're 2 stroke and command strong $$$ when up for sale.
But generally, crime is limited to petty theft, bag snatching and phone swiping... but God help anyone caught by the mob following such an act.... not unknown for mob justice to be meted out with the corresponding outcome...
I think sports bikes are a dying breed across all manufacturers. Original R1 sales were about 3500 in the UK. 300 of the 2019 model were sold. Everyone wants adventure and naked bikes now and I can see why. Hopefully racing will still carry on as it does but I still can't see sportsbikes sales picking up
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