Electric Harley

[anonymous-user]

First ride of the LiveWire on 44 Teeth

Looks a bit mental. £28K?

[thatdude]

I would love one. I think they look not too bad, I like the idea of it being cheap to run (electric is about 14p per kWh, 15.5 kWh battery, so it'll cost £2.17 to charge from nothing to full if that lasts 100 miles, then it works out about £12 cheaper to do that distance compared to my FZ1!). It's got the gadgets (traction control, ABS, riding modes). I imagine the riding position isnt too uncomfortable, and despite the weight it looks like it can hustle. Got some good running gear on it too (Showa BPF, brembos).

But


BUT!!!!!!!!!!!


twenty eight thousand pounds.

I am out.

[KingNothing]

I'd have one if it were cheaper, I'd have an electric bike from a mainline brand, but no-one seems to be pushing forward with them as what I would expect. Would make an ideal commuter vehicle for me.

[lukeyman]

thatdude said:

I would love one. I think they look not too bad, I like the idea of it being cheap to run (electric is about 14p per kWh, 15.5 kWh battery, so it'll cost £2.17 to charge from nothing to full if that lasts 100 miles, then it works out about £12 cheaper to do that distance compared to my FZ1!). It's got the gadgets (traction control, ABS, riding modes). I imagine the riding position isnt too uncomfortable, and despite the weight it looks like it can hustle. Got some good running gear on it too (Showa BPF, brembos).

But


BUT!!!!!!!!!!!


twenty eight thousand pounds.

I am out.

We charge our Zoes overnight at 5p/kwh! The fuel saving covers their costs.

I'd love an electric bike to use instead. But they're all too expensive.

[bogie]

Electric bikes dont do much for me yet, even though some are starting to look ok. They dont offer more performance, are heavy and expensive.

If I needed a cheap commuter for a daily ride through the city I think an electric push bike would be great.... a few grand (or even a few hundred quid conversion kit) for 30-40 mile round trip range, cheap to charge, no insurance or road tax needed.

[Krikkit]

bogie said:

Electric bikes dont do much for me yet, even though some are starting to look ok. They dont offer more performance, are heavy and expensive.

For urban riding they are much quicker and simpler to get off the line... Obviously in open country the performance isn't there, but as a commuter tool it'd be very useful.

[Pothole]

KingNothing said:

I'd have an electric bike from a mainline brand

I think I understand this but it seems odd to me..Nissan Leaf vs Tesla Model 3?

[Rubin215]

lukeyman said:

We charge our Zoes overnight at 5p/kwh!

Using electricity produced by burning fossil-fuels...

Electric vehicles are the biggest elephant in the room yet!
Unless you live on Orkney, you're fking the planet even more than you would by driving a conventional vehicle.

[Dakkon]

Rubin215 said:

lukeyman said:

We charge our Zoes overnight at 5p/kwh!

Using electricity produced by burning fossil-fuels...

Electric vehicles are the biggest elephant in the room yet!
Unless you live on Orkney, you're fking the planet even more than you would by driving a conventional vehicle.

Well the other bit everyone is keen to ignore is the mining and manufacturing of the lithium for the batteries, which in itself is shipped all over the world.

One of our power stations was converted to burn wood pellets, which we ship in from Canada, how great is that for the planet.

The biggest benefit of electric vehicles is air quality in urban areas, but the rest of it is very tenuous.

[marksx]

I'm a vehicular luddite, however that is a very nice looking bike.

Still wouldn't have one though.

Not that I can afford it

[7w7]

Woah how much

[7w7]

Rubin215 said:

Using electricity produced by burning fossil-fuels...

Electric vehicles are the biggest elephant in the room yet!
Unless you live on Orkney, you're fking the planet even more than you would by driving a conventional vehicle.

About 50% is produced from other sources.

The effects from mining and disposal is another question...

[julian64]

Really don't understand how they can make the bike that heavy when it has no fuel on board, no engine, only an electric motor and a relatively light lithium pack

No part of me ever wants to take a bike that heavy and hustle it anywhere. I'm pretty sure in the future I will have more fun on a 125 that does 80mph and costs a fortune for the miserly amount of fuel it uses, than this type of bike.

I would probably change my mind if the Harley was anything but a heffalump.

[Dave Hedgehog]

Rubin215 said:

lukeyman said:

We charge our Zoes overnight at 5p/kwh!

Using electricity produced by burning fossil-fuels...

Electric vehicles are the biggest elephant in the room yet!
Unless you live on Orkney, you're fking the planet even more than you would by driving a conventional vehicle.

omg the trump voters are here

using electricity 100% supplied from renewables ... over 52% of uk electricity is zero emission and zero emission generation is being expanded hugely


"All our electricity comes from 100% renewable sources like sun, wind and water"

https://octopus.energy/

[Dave Hedgehog]

7w7 said:

The effects from mining and disposal is another question...

as 99% of the material in the battery is recyclable at end of life for use in new batteries the impact is not so high

also petrol and diesel production uses far more cobalt than EVs every will

[marksx]

julian64 said:

Really don't understand how they can make the bike that heavy when it has no fuel on board, no engine, only an electric motor and a relatively light lithium pack

No part of me ever wants to take a bike that heavy and hustle it anywhere. I'm pretty sure in the future I will have more fun on a 125 that does 80mph and costs a fortune for the miserly amount of fuel it uses, than this type of bike.

I would probably change my mind if the Harley was anything but a heffalump.

250kg, it's not that heavy. As it happens exactly the same as my GPz

The battery is 110.

[Krikkit]

julian64 said:

Really don't understand how they can make the bike that heavy when it has no fuel on board, no engine, only an electric motor and a relatively light lithium pack

No part of me ever wants to take a bike that heavy and hustle it anywhere. I'm pretty sure in the future I will have more fun on a 125 that does 80mph and costs a fortune for the miserly amount of fuel it uses, than this type of bike.

A "relatively light lithium pack"? The battery pack weighs 115kg on its own, and the motor will be a chunky bit of kit too - no such thing as a reliable high-torque motor that weighs sod all.

[bimsb6]

I would love to have a go on one , i have had a harley for the last 30 yrs (same one) plus a few others , but the price is a killer for me as well as the range ,

[sjg]

Not for me, but I love that it exists and how much thought and engineering has gone into it.

Reminds me a lot of the Telsa Roadster 10 years ago. It cost 4 times what an Elise did, added hundreds of kilos of weight and didn't go anywhere near as far. But it was really fast and fun and did find eccentric wealthy buyers.

A decade on they (and others) are making mainstream viable affordable electric cars. Bikes will go the same way.

[7w7]

Dave Hedgehog said:

as 99% of the material in the battery is recyclable at end of life for use in new batteries the impact is not so high

also petrol and diesel production uses far more cobalt than EVs every will

Didn't know that, good news