Do you think bikers experience more or less road rage...

[G_Morto]

Than car drivers?

You often see videos of "angry bikers" flipping out at the tiniest of things and proceeding to battering people's wing mirrors off, kicking cars etc (you also see a fair amount of bad behaviour from cam car drivers as well to be fair).

Yet I always assumed motorbikes would be less affected by some of the most common road rage inducing factors (lane hoggers, queue jumpers, tediously slow drivers, tailgaters etc).

Or does the fact that bikers are more at risk cause more of a reaction from riders?

What do you think, is riding more or less stressful than driving a car / do you experience more or less road rage riding compared to driving a car?

[mygoldfishbowl]

I've rarely experienced road rage as such but I find there's a lot more silly pettiness when on a bike. People for no reason closing a gap to prevent filtering or I've been flashed by an oncoming vehicle when overtaking when they've been absolutely no where near me, that sort of thing.

[shouldbworking]

I think they experience the right amount for the situation.

Bikes don't have crumple zones, they have riders. You'd get more annoyed about someone swiping your leg whilst changing lanes than if they clipped your wing in a car....

[MrGman]

Those videos of angry bikers, I’d say 90% of the bikers are tts and just like to get angry so leave it as late as possible to take action to prove a point.

[PIGINAWIG]

MrGman said:

Those videos of angry bikers, I’d say 90% of the bikers are tts and just like to get angry so leave it as late as possible to take action to prove a point.

100% this

[Donbot]

I find it is similar to cycling.

If you are doing a lot of overtaking, or having a lot of vehicles passing you, you have a much higher chance of meeting a fkwit.

Though drivers tend to be more accommodating when being overtaken by a bike rather than a car.

Edited by Donbot on Saturday 15th February 22:44

[Long Drax]

How are you defining "bikers"?

[Zarco]

PIGINAWIG said:

MrGman said:

Those videos of angry bikers, I’d say 90% of the bikers are tts and just like to get angry so leave it as late as possible to take action to prove a point.

100% this

[Janluke]

I try to ride defensively and preempt other peoples bad driving, I do sometimes get angry when someone else's poor driving causes a "near miss" but I never act on it as I'm on bike and they're in a tin box

[Birky_41]

Nope virtually never on the bike. Always progressing and filtering. Very occasionally I'll have some old fart typically moan at my speed or whatever

I typically wave like some raging homo and blow a kiss to wind them up more. Anyone that's ridden with me will know I'm being serious too

I do sometimes get a bit wound up in the car though only because I simply can't progress the same and it really highlights how many morans there are that sit in the outside lane or just do something so stupid that I question their existence

[G_Morto]

Birky_41 said:

Nope virtually never on the bike. Always progressing and filtering. Very occasionally I'll have some old fart typically moan at my speed or whatever

I typically wave like some raging homo and blow a kiss to wind them up more. Anyone that's ridden with me will know I'm being serious too

I do sometimes get a bit wound up in the car though only because I simply can't progress the same and it really highlights how many morans there are that sit in the outside lane or just do something so stupid that I question their existence

This is a big part of what frustrates me the most commuting in the car. Getting stuck behind people or getting stuck in a queue being forced to watch other drivers jump in at the front and there's nothing you can do.

Might consider doing DAS and getting a bike for commuting for when the weather improves.

[Biker's Nemesis]

Only once in nearly 40 years.

[Gnits]

It feels like less to me, perhaps you are seen as only a temporary impediment in that if you are in front of a car they see you as only being there for a short amount of time before whizzing off.
I also have had the standard on coming car flash when I overtook, I was so far away I was looking behind me to see if it was someone they knew, then was checking the road to see if they were warning me of something, then looked around to see if there was something else I needed to see and then still had time to ponder this before holding up a hand in a 'What?' kind of gesture before then passed. I don't blame them, perhaps they were waiting for vTec to kick in.

One thing I have noticed that others may like to comment on is that when filtering there is a tendancy for soft-roader 4x4 style vehicles to veer into my path when about 20-40m away and then move back again when I get closer, what's that about?

[N111BJG]

When riding I take the view that if something unexpected happens then I failed to predict it & use it as a learning opportunity.

That doesn’t mean I won’t shout at them loudly in my helmet questioning their intellect & ability.

[Baldchap]

People don't get out of bed planning to fk up. When someone tries to murder me these days I accept it's not intentional and no amount of swearing or mirror-bashing will change anything.

[Goldfever4]

N111BJG said:

When riding I take the view that if something unexpected happens then I failed to predict it & use it as a learning opportunity.

That doesn’t mean I won’t shout at them loudly in my helmet questioning their intellect & ability.

+1

And going back to OP - Yes, I feel poor driving more keenly when on the bike because I am more at risk than when I'm in the car

[EagleMoto4-2]

I think as a biker we tend to take it more personally when a car driver does something that endangers our lives. When you are in a car and another driver does something stupid you just shrug and be thankful you are in a metal box. If someone nearly wipes you out when on a bike you see that as them potentially trying to kill you. However, I have learnt like others to expect idiots on the road so just let them get on with it, I would however like them to learn from their mistakes.
When I was knocked off a bike, I was actually quite calm when it came to dealing with the guy who had just driven into the back of me.

[seveb]

G_Morto said:

Than car drivers?

You often see videos of "angry bikers" flipping out at the tiniest of things and proceeding to battering people's wing mirrors off, kicking cars etc (you also see a fair amount of bad behaviour from cam car drivers as well to be fair).

Yet I always assumed motorbikes would be less affected by some of the most common road rage inducing factors (lane hoggers, queue jumpers, tediously slow drivers, tailgaters etc).

Or does the fact that bikers are more at risk cause more of a reaction from riders?

What do you think, is riding more or less stressful than driving a car / do you experience more or less road rage riding compared to driving a car?

I stopped watching any of those videos as almost invariably, the people creating the video were by far the poorer driver or rider and in some cases caused incidents just to record them. In most cases they are recording other people's mistakes - don't we all make the odd mistake ? The art of riding is partly to be ready for and allow other drivers/riders to make mistakes and deal with it sensibly as just part of riding a bike.

[airsafari87]

I can't say that it's worse on the bike.

The advantage we have over cars is that we can very easily get away from anyone behind us who is getting a bit shirty or a bit too close.

The only time I ever seem to see any aggression is after filtering to the front of the queue at traffic lights. A few people take exception to this as you have stolen 'their' position place on the starting grid.
I tend to just turn my head to acknowledge their anger and then just turn back round and let them get on with it. As soon as the lights go green I'm well out of their way in a couple of seconds anyway.

This current trend of 'rev bombing' from certain sections of bikes is worrying though. You see it all the time where a car may pull out on a bike and instead of braking or taking action to avoid a possible accident they just rev the knackers off their bikes and then, in some cases have to last minute panic brake afterwards.
A very odd mindset and something I'd like to see due off.

[ceesvdelst]

In my experience if you do even the slightest thing wrong bikers will ALWAYS point it out.

Which means to me some of them have a chip on their shoulder, not all, some. I get it, but if you don't like riding in congestion or at busy times, then stay at home.

This can be something as simple as placing your car over near the centre to see what is going on, (that apparently isn't allowed as it means filtering is harder).

I say again, not all riders are like this, but I have experienced just as many impatient, dangerous and aggressive riding people in percentage terms as I have experienced similarly dumb people in cars or vans.

We all make mistakes and get irate, I do it far more than I should, so I get why it happens.

The roads today are full of cretins let's face it, and it is tough to try and stay calm sometimes. But I often want to chase after these gits who do the head shake and tell them, the road is not just for you and your filtering or choices, we all have to live there.