A simple bike with decent power
A simple bike with decent power
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AlphaRomeo

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41 posts

175 months

Sunday 14th June 2020
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Just looking for some advice to help me pick my next bike. I’ve had a Monster 821 since I passed my test last year and I’m just looking for some suggestions on what to switch over to:

1. I’d like something really easy to work on (perhaps this means a Japanese bike?)
2. I’d like the same or more power (I’m 6’2” and heavier than I’d like to be... 17st)
3. Budget around £7k
4. I’d like something newer than my ‘15 plate Monster but would go older if it was something really easy to work on
5. I quite like the Yamaha XSR900 and Kawasaki Z900 but I have only just started looking so I’m open to ideas

Suggestions gratefully received!

AlphaRomeo

Original Poster:

41 posts

175 months

Sunday 14th June 2020
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A bike known for reliability would be great too! That why I’m reasonably sure I’m going to end up with something from Japan.

loftylad

309 posts

259 months

Sunday 14th June 2020
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MT-07 or MT-09 ?

CaptainSlow

13,179 posts

242 months

Sunday 14th June 2020
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All the bikes that have been mentioned are no better than your 821.

MT10 if you want more power.

A500leroy

8,552 posts

148 months

Sunday 14th June 2020
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KTM 890

WarnieV6GT

1,439 posts

229 months

Sunday 14th June 2020
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Speed Triple. Should get the newer 16/17 models for 7k.

I'm 6ft 4 and it fits fine. Certainly bigger than the monster 1200 let alone the 821.

Volant

138 posts

158 months

Sunday 14th June 2020
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A bit more power or a lot more power?

A bit more, Japanese, CB1000R, Z1000, GSXS1000?

A lot more and you’re looking at super naked. Only Japanese really is MT10, otherwise S1000R, Tuono?

AlphaRomeo

Original Poster:

41 posts

175 months

Sunday 14th June 2020
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Thanks for all the great replies! I’ve just noticed there’s quite a few GSX-S1000 around for £7.5kish so that could be a good option.

I like the KTMs and almost went for one over the Monster but not sure how they stack up on reliability so will look into that option again!

I’ll look at the Speed Triples too.

I did most of my lessons on a CB650R so I like th sound of the CB1000R. I did also get a shot of a Kawasaki (which I knew which model) that seemed easier to handle than the Honda - not sure if that applies to Kawasakis generally though.

If anyone knows of anyone doing good deals on pre-reg stock, I’d be very grateful. I know Colchester Kawasaki was doing good deals at the start of lockdown so I’m planning to ask them tomorrow if they still have anything around.


Jag_NE

3,339 posts

130 months

Sunday 14th June 2020
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GSXR1000 on a 15 plate are in budget.

Drawweight

3,612 posts

146 months

Monday 15th June 2020
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If you’re looking for a newer bike that’s ‘easier to work on’ the problem is it won’t need any work done on it, especially if you buy your everyday Japanese model.

Apart from an occasional oil and filter change that’ll be it except for the valve clearances every gazillion miles.



7w7

551 posts

151 months

Monday 15th June 2020
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A500leroy said:
KTM 890
"A bike known for reliability would be great too!"

Ho Lee Kau

2,278 posts

155 months

Monday 15th June 2020
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what is "decent"?
I am 6.2 and 200lb, for me the power of my 2002 CBR600F4i is more than decent everywhere but above 2000m.

V8RX7

28,982 posts

293 months

Monday 15th June 2020
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AlphaRomeo said:
I’d like something really easy to work on

I’d like something newer than my ‘15 plate
These two contradict themselves - new bikes are more complicated than older ones.

Do you want something that is reliable and doesn't need working on or do you like to tinker ?

All of them are pretty good these days, particularly with the limited mileage most UK bikers do

jonindorset

1,082 posts

274 months

Monday 15th June 2020
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MT10 is a fantastic bike and you could certainly upgrade it rather than repair it. It certainly has fewer fancy trinkets on it than your Ducati to start with... Bikes for me are hugely horses for courses though. What exactly are you planning to do with it? The MT10 is fabulous on open roads and long journeys but not so much fun in urban environments.

andburg

8,750 posts

199 months

Monday 15th June 2020
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V8RX7 said:
AlphaRomeo said:
I’d like something really easy to work on

I’d like something newer than my ‘15 plate
These two contradict themselves - new bikes are more complicated than older ones.

Do you want something that is reliable and doesn't need working on or do you like to tinker ?

All of them are pretty good these days, particularly with the limited mileage most UK bikers do
I agree

the simple things like service items are going to be pretty simple on most bikes but new bikes are packed with technology and the effort to make them smaller and lighter has meant tighter packaging to less access to some fixings.

OP;

buy whatever you want to general servicing (filters/fluids and brakes) isn't a major issue on many bikes.
If you wanted to minimize cost of things you cant do then avoid bikes like Ducati's with belt driven cams that require regular replacement.

snagzie

651 posts

90 months

Monday 15th June 2020
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A newish Vstrom would suit you I think. Better for taller people.

Power wise - its a little less than the ducati but more torque, and great fun. I didn't miss the power going from 170hp K1300S to mine.

carinaman

25,277 posts

202 months

Monday 15th June 2020
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7w7 said:
A500leroy said:
KTM 890
"A bike known for reliability would be great too!"
Not £7,000 unless a trade in is added to that. New 790s are £7,000 with the current colours £7,500.

Being under a warranty for 2 years won't allow much for getting hands on.

MarJay

2,181 posts

205 months

Monday 15th June 2020
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GSX-S1000s are very underrated and can be had for cheap. I just bought an F on Saturday and... it's awesome. Why anyone would want more power I can't imagine. it handles better than any other 1000cc bike I've ridden. Insurance is a bit salty though...


AlphaRomeo

Original Poster:

41 posts

175 months

Monday 15th June 2020
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I’m so glad I started this thread - lots of good suggestions and advice.

I haven’t looked at the V-Strom yet but will do.

To answer some of the Qs, I do like to mod and do basic servicing if it looks easy. I read somewhere that Japanese bikes are not only reliable but generally designed with maintenance in mind. If I find the source, I’ll post it!

I’ve been enquiring about a couple of bikes today. Looks like the GSXS is the front runner (thanks to all who have suggested it!) and I was somewhat saddened to find out that the Kawasaki Z1000 has been or is being discontinued and there seems to be very few around as a result.

Ideally I will go for something in warranty but it sounds like I’d be fine going for an older bike (as long as it was known for reliability).

Has there been anything known for bullet-proof reliability in the last 10 years or is that fairly common now?

I saw a YouTube video with two American mechanics talking about cars they dread seeing - is like to buy the opposite of this! Lol. Is there a bike that mechanics prefer to work on because it’s easier? That’s maybe another thread....


AlphaRomeo

Original Poster:

41 posts

175 months

Monday 15th June 2020
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Also I looked into MT-10s and I really like them but it seems that the SP is the one to go for and these are a bit over budget sadly...