Lexmoto motorcycles and scooters
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Hi all it's been a while.
I am looking at the so called Lexmoto brand. Specifically I'm saving up to get a Lexmoto Pegagsus. This is a near 300cc scooter with a lot of bells and whistles for just over three grand new.
Has anyone owned a Lexmoto anything? I'm looking at which dealers are good and the varying warranty lengths offered for the same bike.
https://www.lexmoto.co.uk/models/TR300T-P
I am looking at the so called Lexmoto brand. Specifically I'm saving up to get a Lexmoto Pegagsus. This is a near 300cc scooter with a lot of bells and whistles for just over three grand new.
Has anyone owned a Lexmoto anything? I'm looking at which dealers are good and the varying warranty lengths offered for the same bike.
https://www.lexmoto.co.uk/models/TR300T-P
I will be keeping the Pegasus and aim to run it for five years. Its got a nifty TFT screen, an ECU which you can interrogate and ABS etc. Most bikes are made in China now are they not? Including the Japanese bikes?
I can see how the smaller Lexmotos, the 125cc scooters have a bad rep for quality. I am on a couple of facebook groups and all the young people who own these machines are the most tremendous bodgers who constantly give each other terrible advice on repairs and maintenance.
No wonder they don't last. Regular maintenance and servicing does not seem to be on their agenda, more weed and girls and big bore break your bike kits.
I can see how the smaller Lexmotos, the 125cc scooters have a bad rep for quality. I am on a couple of facebook groups and all the young people who own these machines are the most tremendous bodgers who constantly give each other terrible advice on repairs and maintenance.
No wonder they don't last. Regular maintenance and servicing does not seem to be on their agenda, more weed and girls and big bore break your bike kits.
I know new vs used is a bit of a straw man argument, but I would be highly tempted to go for something like a Burgman 400 instead of the Lex. You can also get some pre-reg Japanese scooters for not much more, e.g. a Burgman 200 for £3500.
Otherwise as Rubin noted, build quality is coming along quite nicely - they're no longer a write-off at their first MOT due to going crusty, and if you pulled the casings off to give it some ACF every year I'm sure it'd do pretty well.
ETA: https://www.autotrader.co.uk/bike-details/20200821...
50% more power in a 400 Jap scoot as well.
Otherwise as Rubin noted, build quality is coming along quite nicely - they're no longer a write-off at their first MOT due to going crusty, and if you pulled the casings off to give it some ACF every year I'm sure it'd do pretty well.
ETA: https://www.autotrader.co.uk/bike-details/20200821...
50% more power in a 400 Jap scoot as well.
Edited by Krikkit on Wednesday 10th February 11:17
The one I am after (The Pegasus) is Lexmoto's biggest scooter to date and it looks to be very high quality. Stainless exhaust caught my eye amongst other things.
https://www.thebikemarket.co.uk/reviews/lexmoto-pe...
https://www.thebikemarket.co.uk/reviews/lexmoto-pe...
TC99 said:
The one I am after (The Pegasus) is Lexmoto's biggest scooter to date and it looks to be very high quality. Stainless exhaust caught my eye amongst other things.
https://www.thebikemarket.co.uk/reviews/lexmoto-pe...
Build quality isn't as simple as thathttps://www.thebikemarket.co.uk/reviews/lexmoto-pe...
I made the mistake of buying a Jaguar thinking that they must be ok by now - it has constant niggles, currently a misfire, parking sensors and a heater issue, I just never had any niggles with previous Japanese cars.
I once bought a Chinese quad for my kids - they'd welded a bolt into the frame as it was too short !
I'll mark off two corners of the Pistonheads bingo card by recommending something used for less and something I have as an alternative.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Kymco-Downtown/26494303...
Build quality is good and also available as a rebadged Kawaski J300.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Kymco-Downtown/26494303...
Build quality is good and also available as a rebadged Kawaski J300.
I really want a new one and I'm not convinced a used Japanese scooter offers better quality and a better buy.
I found the actual factory in China that makes them. I just sent them an email asking for a one off purchase to assess the quality before a bulk order. I would be happy to get a new one in a crate and know I am the only mechanic to spanner it.
I found the actual factory in China that makes them. I just sent them an email asking for a one off purchase to assess the quality before a bulk order. I would be happy to get a new one in a crate and know I am the only mechanic to spanner it.
TC99 said:
I really want a new one and I'm not convinced a used Japanese scooter offers better quality and a better buy.
I found the actual factory in China that makes them. I just sent them an email asking for a one off purchase to assess the quality before a bulk order. I would be happy to get a new one in a crate and know I am the only mechanic to spanner it.
Quality isn't about the factory that assembled it, it's the budget and engineering put into every single part of the thing.I found the actual factory in China that makes them. I just sent them an email asking for a one off purchase to assess the quality before a bulk order. I would be happy to get a new one in a crate and know I am the only mechanic to spanner it.
A Burgman or Xmax at 6 grand new will be light years ahead in terms of quality compared to a 3 grand Lexmoto.
If you want one then buy it, it's a way to have something brand new with warranty for very little. Don't kid yourself that it's even an equal product to a used machine at the same money.
TC99 said:
I really want a new one and I'm not convinced a used Japanese scooter offers better quality and a better buy.
I found the actual factory in China that makes them. I just sent them an email asking for a one off purchase to assess the quality before a bulk order. I would be happy to get a new one in a crate and know I am the only mechanic to spanner it.
Apologies, I must have missed the part in your original post about a bulk order.I found the actual factory in China that makes them. I just sent them an email asking for a one off purchase to assess the quality before a bulk order. I would be happy to get a new one in a crate and know I am the only mechanic to spanner it.
Your last sentence is valid, I know some places that will not work on the cheaper Chinese bikes so being the only mechanic to spanner it may not necessarily be through choice.
t stains off. I've helped out on a few repairs on their 125 scooters. minor issues aside, I've found them more than capable.
As mentioned by others, performance is not quite up there with the competition.
But, and it's a massive but, the cost and availability of their spares is unbelievably good.
Take a look at the cost of replacement panels, and items like calipers/ forklegs ... https://www.chinesemotorcyclepartsonline.co.uk/?gc...
TC99 said:
I found the actual factory in China that makes them. I just sent them an email asking for a one off purchase to assess the quality before a bulk order. I would be happy to get a new one in a crate and know I am the only mechanic to spanner it.
Good luck, but this route seems fraught with risks. Even assuming they're stupid enough to believe the "before a bulk order" stuff, what happens after that? Let's say they quote a price, and when you've saved enough you send the payment by electronic transfer. Their standard shipping will be FOB, but that leaves unmanaged freight risks. So maybe you want to pay more for CIF, but how much will that cost and what Chinese agent would you trust to arrange it? Someone has to organise for your one crate to be packed into an ISO container and loaded on the right ship.
Then a month later the ISO container is offloaded at Felixstowe, Ipswich or Tilbury maybe. How do you propose to get your single crate? It's surrounded by valuable goods owned by other importers. The dock won't allow you to rummage through to find your small item. There will be a process where shipping agents unload the container into bonded warehouses.
The shipping agents will require payment of their charges upon collection, and they'll also process the UK excise duty and VAT which you have to pay upon importation. I'm guessing you don't have an EORI number, but with some time, work and cost you can probably get round that. Eventually you have a crate in the back of your hire van, heading for home.
And then you unpack and assemble the scooter, which may or may not look like what you thought you were buying. Let's hope it arrives in good condition and working correctly, because you have no legal or consumer rights. Maybe if you ship the crate back to the factory at your own cost, they'll refund or replace it. Maybe they'll say it's not defective and ask if you're paying to ship it to UK again or abandoning your goods.
We'll be optimistic and assume it assembles okay, all in good order. You don't have any warranty if it fails tomorrow, but at least it's running well at the moment. Now you need to register it with DVLA, before you can tax and insure it. Important point here - the scooter isn't a Lexmoto, that's a UK branding identity belonging to Llexeter Ltd.
What you have is the Chinese base scooter, probably branded in Mandarin as the "Graceful Dove Motor Bicycle" or whatever. And that machine doesn't have EEC type approval. The type approval is Lexmoto's property, they've paid for all the engineering, legal and inspection stuff and it only applies to Lexmoto-branded machines which are imported, adapted and registered through their business. You can't register it new as a Lexmoto.
You don't have Certificate of Conformity, and you can't use AFRL. Instead you'll have to pay for MVSA and V55/4. The scooter may need modifications to meet UK specs, which importers like Lexmoto or Mash carry out in their own workshops. You'll have to arrange this yourself, and take it back for re-examination if necessary. With a lot of patience and cost, you'll eventually get the necessary paperwork from DVLA. All that's left is to find an insurer who's willing to cover a Graceful Dove Motor Bicycle which doesn't appear on their database as UK legal. A specialist broker will find cover for you, but it won't be cheap or easy.
I could understand people going to all this cost and trouble to register a very special or historic import, but if you just want a cheap scooter to get to work it honestly seems like a terrible idea to me.
Tardigrade said:
Good luck, but this route seems fraught with risks. Even assuming they're stupid enough to believe the "before a bulk order" stuff, what happens after that? Let's say they quote a price, and when you've saved enough you send the payment by electronic transfer.
Their standard shipping will be FOB, but that leaves unmanaged freight risks. So maybe you want to pay more for CIF, but how much will that cost and what Chinese agent would you trust to arrange it? Someone has to organise for your one crate to be packed into an ISO container and loaded on the right ship.
Then a month later the ISO container is offloaded at Felixstowe, Ipswich or Tilbury maybe. How do you propose to get your single crate? It's surrounded by valuable goods owned by other importers. The dock won't allow you to rummage through to find your small item. There will be a process where shipping agents unload the container into bonded warehouses.
The shipping agents will require payment of their charges upon collection, and they'll also process the UK excise duty and VAT which you have to pay upon importation. I'm guessing you don't have an EORI number, but with some time, work and cost you can probably get round that. Eventually you have a crate in the back of your hire van, heading for home.
And then you unpack and assemble the scooter, which may or may not look like what you thought you were buying. Let's hope it arrives in good condition and working correctly, because you have no legal or consumer rights. Maybe if you ship the crate back to the factory at your own cost, they'll refund or replace it. Maybe they'll say it's not defective and ask if you're paying to ship it to UK again or abandoning your goods.
We'll be optimistic and assume it assembles okay, all in good order. You don't have any warranty if it fails tomorrow, but at least it's running well at the moment. Now you need to register it with DVLA, before you can tax and insure it. Important point here - the scooter isn't a Lexmoto, that's a UK branding identity belonging to Llexeter Ltd.
What you have is the Chinese base scooter, probably branded in Mandarin as the "Graceful Dove Motor Bicycle" or whatever. And that machine doesn't have EEC type approval. The type approval is Lexmoto's property, they've paid for all the engineering, legal and inspection stuff and it only applies to Lexmoto-branded machines which are imported, adapted and registered through their business. You can't register it new as a Lexmoto.
You don't have Certificate of Conformity, and you can't use AFRL. Instead you'll have to pay for MVSA and V55/4. The scooter may need modifications to meet UK specs, which importers like Lexmoto or Mash carry out in their own workshops. You'll have to arrange this yourself, and take it back for re-examination if necessary. With a lot of patience and cost, you'll eventually get the necessary paperwork from DVLA. All that's left is to find an insurer who's willing to cover a Graceful Dove Motor Bicycle which doesn't appear on their database as UK legal. A specialist broker will find cover for you, but it won't be cheap or easy.
I could understand people going to all this cost and trouble to register a very special or historic import, but if you just want a cheap scooter to get to work it honestly seems like a terrible idea to me.
Their standard shipping will be FOB, but that leaves unmanaged freight risks. So maybe you want to pay more for CIF, but how much will that cost and what Chinese agent would you trust to arrange it? Someone has to organise for your one crate to be packed into an ISO container and loaded on the right ship.
Then a month later the ISO container is offloaded at Felixstowe, Ipswich or Tilbury maybe. How do you propose to get your single crate? It's surrounded by valuable goods owned by other importers. The dock won't allow you to rummage through to find your small item. There will be a process where shipping agents unload the container into bonded warehouses.
The shipping agents will require payment of their charges upon collection, and they'll also process the UK excise duty and VAT which you have to pay upon importation. I'm guessing you don't have an EORI number, but with some time, work and cost you can probably get round that. Eventually you have a crate in the back of your hire van, heading for home.
And then you unpack and assemble the scooter, which may or may not look like what you thought you were buying. Let's hope it arrives in good condition and working correctly, because you have no legal or consumer rights. Maybe if you ship the crate back to the factory at your own cost, they'll refund or replace it. Maybe they'll say it's not defective and ask if you're paying to ship it to UK again or abandoning your goods.
We'll be optimistic and assume it assembles okay, all in good order. You don't have any warranty if it fails tomorrow, but at least it's running well at the moment. Now you need to register it with DVLA, before you can tax and insure it. Important point here - the scooter isn't a Lexmoto, that's a UK branding identity belonging to Llexeter Ltd.
What you have is the Chinese base scooter, probably branded in Mandarin as the "Graceful Dove Motor Bicycle" or whatever. And that machine doesn't have EEC type approval. The type approval is Lexmoto's property, they've paid for all the engineering, legal and inspection stuff and it only applies to Lexmoto-branded machines which are imported, adapted and registered through their business. You can't register it new as a Lexmoto.
You don't have Certificate of Conformity, and you can't use AFRL. Instead you'll have to pay for MVSA and V55/4. The scooter may need modifications to meet UK specs, which importers like Lexmoto or Mash carry out in their own workshops. You'll have to arrange this yourself, and take it back for re-examination if necessary. With a lot of patience and cost, you'll eventually get the necessary paperwork from DVLA. All that's left is to find an insurer who's willing to cover a Graceful Dove Motor Bicycle which doesn't appear on their database as UK legal. A specialist broker will find cover for you, but it won't be cheap or easy.
I could understand people going to all this cost and trouble to register a very special or historic import, but if you just want a cheap scooter to get to work it honestly seems like a terrible idea to me.
TC99 said:
The one I am after (The Pegasus) is Lexmoto's biggest scooter to date and it looks to be very high quality. Stainless exhaust caught my eye amongst other things.
https://www.thebikemarket.co.uk/reviews/lexmoto-pe...
26hp / 19kW out of a 125cc engine at 8,000rpm. Is this BS?https://www.thebikemarket.co.uk/reviews/lexmoto-pe...
Tardigrade said:
Good luck, but this route seems fraught with risks. Even assuming they're stupid enough to believe the "before a bulk order" stuff, what happens after that? Let's say they quote a price, and when you've saved enough you send the payment by electronic transfer.
Their standard shipping will be FOB, but that leaves unmanaged freight risks. So maybe you want to pay more for CIF, but how much will that cost and what Chinese agent would you trust to arrange it? Someone has to organise for your one crate to be packed into an ISO container and loaded on the right ship.
Then a month later the ISO container is offloaded at Felixstowe, Ipswich or Tilbury maybe. How do you propose to get your single crate? It's surrounded by valuable goods owned by other importers. The dock won't allow you to rummage through to find your small item. There will be a process where shipping agents unload the container into bonded warehouses.
The shipping agents will require payment of their charges upon collection, and they'll also process the UK excise duty and VAT which you have to pay upon importation. I'm guessing you don't have an EORI number, but with some time, work and cost you can probably get round that. Eventually you have a crate in the back of your hire van, heading for home.
And then you unpack and assemble the scooter, which may or may not look like what you thought you were buying. Let's hope it arrives in good condition and working correctly, because you have no legal or consumer rights. Maybe if you ship the crate back to the factory at your own cost, they'll refund or replace it. Maybe they'll say it's not defective and ask if you're paying to ship it to UK again or abandoning your goods.
We'll be optimistic and assume it assembles okay, all in good order. You don't have any warranty if it fails tomorrow, but at least it's running well at the moment. Now you need to register it with DVLA, before you can tax and insure it. Important point here - the scooter isn't a Lexmoto, that's a UK branding identity belonging to Llexeter Ltd.
What you have is the Chinese base scooter, probably branded in Mandarin as the "Graceful Dove Motor Bicycle" or whatever. And that machine doesn't have EEC type approval. The type approval is Lexmoto's property, they've paid for all the engineering, legal and inspection stuff and it only applies to Lexmoto-branded machines which are imported, adapted and registered through their business. You can't register it new as a Lexmoto.
You don't have Certificate of Conformity, and you can't use AFRL. Instead you'll have to pay for MVSA and V55/4. The scooter may need modifications to meet UK specs, which importers like Lexmoto or Mash carry out in their own workshops. You'll have to arrange this yourself, and take it back for re-examination if necessary. With a lot of patience and cost, you'll eventually get the necessary paperwork from DVLA. All that's left is to find an insurer who's willing to cover a Graceful Dove Motor Bicycle which doesn't appear on their database as UK legal. A specialist broker will find cover for you, but it won't be cheap or easy.
I could understand people going to all this cost and trouble to register a very special or historic import, but if you just want a cheap scooter to get to work it honestly seems like a terrible idea to me.
You, Sir, are a God!Their standard shipping will be FOB, but that leaves unmanaged freight risks. So maybe you want to pay more for CIF, but how much will that cost and what Chinese agent would you trust to arrange it? Someone has to organise for your one crate to be packed into an ISO container and loaded on the right ship.
Then a month later the ISO container is offloaded at Felixstowe, Ipswich or Tilbury maybe. How do you propose to get your single crate? It's surrounded by valuable goods owned by other importers. The dock won't allow you to rummage through to find your small item. There will be a process where shipping agents unload the container into bonded warehouses.
The shipping agents will require payment of their charges upon collection, and they'll also process the UK excise duty and VAT which you have to pay upon importation. I'm guessing you don't have an EORI number, but with some time, work and cost you can probably get round that. Eventually you have a crate in the back of your hire van, heading for home.
And then you unpack and assemble the scooter, which may or may not look like what you thought you were buying. Let's hope it arrives in good condition and working correctly, because you have no legal or consumer rights. Maybe if you ship the crate back to the factory at your own cost, they'll refund or replace it. Maybe they'll say it's not defective and ask if you're paying to ship it to UK again or abandoning your goods.
We'll be optimistic and assume it assembles okay, all in good order. You don't have any warranty if it fails tomorrow, but at least it's running well at the moment. Now you need to register it with DVLA, before you can tax and insure it. Important point here - the scooter isn't a Lexmoto, that's a UK branding identity belonging to Llexeter Ltd.
What you have is the Chinese base scooter, probably branded in Mandarin as the "Graceful Dove Motor Bicycle" or whatever. And that machine doesn't have EEC type approval. The type approval is Lexmoto's property, they've paid for all the engineering, legal and inspection stuff and it only applies to Lexmoto-branded machines which are imported, adapted and registered through their business. You can't register it new as a Lexmoto.
You don't have Certificate of Conformity, and you can't use AFRL. Instead you'll have to pay for MVSA and V55/4. The scooter may need modifications to meet UK specs, which importers like Lexmoto or Mash carry out in their own workshops. You'll have to arrange this yourself, and take it back for re-examination if necessary. With a lot of patience and cost, you'll eventually get the necessary paperwork from DVLA. All that's left is to find an insurer who's willing to cover a Graceful Dove Motor Bicycle which doesn't appear on their database as UK legal. A specialist broker will find cover for you, but it won't be cheap or easy.
I could understand people going to all this cost and trouble to register a very special or historic import, but if you just want a cheap scooter to get to work it honestly seems like a terrible idea to me.
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