Ancient monuments under threat
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The BBC on Off road vandalism:
Off-road bikers using ancient monuments as racetracks
The article is about off road and their effect on historical sites:
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Ancient monuments across the UK face "complete destruction" from off-road bikers illegally using them as ramps and racetracks, archaeologists have warned.
Examples include a Bronze Age ring cairn near Swansea - a potential burial site - which bikers have been riding around.
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I've done off-road biking for years and many riders have little to nil consideration over here. Riding in rivers seems to be a thrill if those bikes were new little damage is done. Oil leaking off roader's bikes is a different story.
here is the article: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1kexvmxn4do
Off-road bikers using ancient monuments as racetracks
The article is about off road and their effect on historical sites:
[quote]
Ancient monuments across the UK face "complete destruction" from off-road bikers illegally using them as ramps and racetracks, archaeologists have warned.
Examples include a Bronze Age ring cairn near Swansea - a potential burial site - which bikers have been riding around.
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I've done off-road biking for years and many riders have little to nil consideration over here. Riding in rivers seems to be a thrill if those bikes were new little damage is done. Oil leaking off roader's bikes is a different story.
here is the article: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1kexvmxn4do
Devil's advocate - if it's such an important monument why hasn't it been investigated in the last 3000 years ?
However you and the BBC as usual are confusing legal bikers (sticking to green lanes with legal bikes) with illegal bikers usually on MX or stolen bikes
If the Police stopped bike theft or actively recovered them most of the problem would be cleared up
The other option is to give them somewhere to ride
However you and the BBC as usual are confusing legal bikers (sticking to green lanes with legal bikes) with illegal bikers usually on MX or stolen bikes
If the Police stopped bike theft or actively recovered them most of the problem would be cleared up
The other option is to give them somewhere to ride
We used to ride on old coal mining tips.
They were probably industrial heritage too, but they've been flattened and built on now.
When people start wibbling about slag heaps in the same context as ancient stuff from the Bronze Age, it tends to undermine people's respect for what actually matters.
Around here, off road motorbikes are not much problem, people know it's illegal and riders are generally careful where they go and keep their heads down.
There is increasing noise about e-MTBs though, they don't seem to have any sense of avoiding conflict.
They were probably industrial heritage too, but they've been flattened and built on now.
When people start wibbling about slag heaps in the same context as ancient stuff from the Bronze Age, it tends to undermine people's respect for what actually matters.
Around here, off road motorbikes are not much problem, people know it's illegal and riders are generally careful where they go and keep their heads down.
There is increasing noise about e-MTBs though, they don't seem to have any sense of avoiding conflict.
As usual it’s the few inconsiderate users which give everyone else a bad name.
We have dirt bikes racing up and down a “byway open to all traffic” close to us. Perfectly legal if they have insurance, mot, a roadworthy bike and a licence…which most do not. The majority are kids whose parents have bought them a dirt bike and they are riding dangerously where people walk their dogs and kids.
Plod has too much else to do, sadly.
We have dirt bikes racing up and down a “byway open to all traffic” close to us. Perfectly legal if they have insurance, mot, a roadworthy bike and a licence…which most do not. The majority are kids whose parents have bought them a dirt bike and they are riding dangerously where people walk their dogs and kids.
Plod has too much else to do, sadly.
nute said:
As usual it’s the few inconsiderate users which give everyone else a bad name.
We have dirt bikes racing up and down a “byway open to all traffic” close to us. Perfectly legal if they have insurance, mot, a roadworthy bike and a licence…which most do not. The majority are kids whose parents have bought them a dirt bike and they are riding dangerously where people walk their dogs and kids.
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This right here will be what it is.We have dirt bikes racing up and down a “byway open to all traffic” close to us. Perfectly legal if they have insurance, mot, a roadworthy bike and a licence…which most do not. The majority are kids whose parents have bought them a dirt bike and they are riding dangerously where people walk their dogs and kids.
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Tracksuit family, bottom feeding scumbags will be the culprits.
"It is only legal to ride an off-road motorbike on private land with the landowner's permission."
As usual, only half the story from a useless journalist.
Although, to a walker, a noisy road legal enduro motorcycle being ridden too quickly along a BOAT or ORPA by a TRF member (plenty of videos on youtube) is indistinguishable from a noisy motocrosser being ridden too quickly along a footpath or bridleway, or across farmland or moorland or an ancient monument, by an idiot.
As usual, only half the story from a useless journalist.
Although, to a walker, a noisy road legal enduro motorcycle being ridden too quickly along a BOAT or ORPA by a TRF member (plenty of videos on youtube) is indistinguishable from a noisy motocrosser being ridden too quickly along a footpath or bridleway, or across farmland or moorland or an ancient monument, by an idiot.
gareth_r said:
"It is only legal to ride an off-road motorbike on private land with the landowner's permission."
As usual, only half the story from a useless journalist.
Although, to a walker, a noisy road legal enduro motorcycle being ridden too quickly along a BOAT or ORPA by a TRF member (plenty of videos on youtube) is indistinguishable from a noisy motocrosser being ridden too quickly along a footpath or bridleway, or across farmland or moorland or an ancient monument, by an idiot.
Whilst I agree - half the problem is that the vast majority of the public don't know which "footpaths" (as far as they are concerned) motorcycles can useAs usual, only half the story from a useless journalist.
Although, to a walker, a noisy road legal enduro motorcycle being ridden too quickly along a BOAT or ORPA by a TRF member (plenty of videos on youtube) is indistinguishable from a noisy motocrosser being ridden too quickly along a footpath or bridleway, or across farmland or moorland or an ancient monument, by an idiot.
I'm not sure it's our job to do it (ie whether the TRF etc should pay for an advertising campaign)
People rarely walk their dog down a road shouting at the cars - perhaps if they were better educated they'd pick an actual footpath to walk on
KTMsm said:
Whilst I agree - half the problem is that the vast majority of the public don't know which "footpaths" (as far as they are concerned) motorcycles can use
I'm not sure it's our job to do it (ie whether the TRF etc should pay for an advertising campaign)
People rarely walk their dog down a road shouting at the cars - perhaps if they were better educated they'd pick an actual footpath to walk on
This about sums it up. I used to get hassled from walkers when I'm on the MTB on a bridleway, although it happens much less now. I'm not sure it's our job to do it (ie whether the TRF etc should pay for an advertising campaign)
People rarely walk their dog down a road shouting at the cars - perhaps if they were better educated they'd pick an actual footpath to walk on
It might be more useful when reporting stories like this if the Press explained what different categories of tracks are open to.
gareth_r said:
"It is only legal to ride an off-road motorbike on private land with the landowner's permission."
As usual, only half the story from a useless journalist.
Although, to a walker, a noisy road legal enduro motorcyclebeing ridden too quickly along a BOAT or ORPA by a TRF member (plenty of videos on youtube) is indistinguishable from a noisy motocrosser being ridden too quickly along a footpath or bridleway, or across farmland or moorland or an ancient monument, by an idiot.
More this in my experience. Walkers think everyone except walkers shouldn't use any path anywhere ever, and double for motorbikes.As usual, only half the story from a useless journalist.
Although, to a walker, a noisy road legal enduro motorcycle
FNG said:
More this in my experience. Walkers think everyone except walkers shouldn't use any path anywhere ever, and double for motorbikes.
I used to ride trail bikes in a local disused cement works (just north of luton) it was a massive area which attracted hundreds of people at the weekend, the walkers moaned about it and eventually it was shut down , the lack of bikes meant the tracks became overgrown and impassable .bimsb6 said:
I used to ride trail bikes in a local disused cement works (just north of luton) it was a massive area which attracted hundreds of people at the weekend, the walkers moaned about it and eventually it was shut down , the lack of bikes meant the tracks became overgrown and impassable .
Sounds about rightAlthough it also annoys me that a lot of riders won't exchange GPX routes
There are a lot of lanes near me that are hard to get down because they're used so infrequently - I'd rather they had more use
FNG said:
More this in my experience. Walkers think everyone except walkers shouldn't use any path anywhere ever, and double for motorbikes.
Yep. My bike is fully insured, MOT'd etc and I always use the TRF map to plan / check a route before going to make sure there aren't any TRO's etc. Have had walkers try and block my path, shout / get aggressive, ring the police, take picture etc. Horse Riders are fine and usually stop for a quick chat (always turn the bike off and wait for them to pass). I used to try and explain to the walkers that it is perfectly legal to ride on a BOAT if fully insured etc but they are usually so indignant with rage they refuse to engage properly
gareth_r said:
"It is only legal to ride an off-road motorbike on private land with the landowner's permission."
As usual, only half the story from a useless journalist.
Although, to a walker, a noisy road legal enduro motorcycle being ridden too quickly along a BOAT or ORPA by a TRF member (plenty of videos on youtube) is indistinguishable from a noisy motocrosser being ridden too quickly along a footpath or bridleway, or across farmland or moorland or an ancient monument, by an idiot.
The perception of speed is greatly affected by noise; perhaps if people fitted quieter exhausts for green laning the bobble hats would be less inclined to shake their fists at them?As usual, only half the story from a useless journalist.
Although, to a walker, a noisy road legal enduro motorcycle being ridden too quickly along a BOAT or ORPA by a TRF member (plenty of videos on youtube) is indistinguishable from a noisy motocrosser being ridden too quickly along a footpath or bridleway, or across farmland or moorland or an ancient monument, by an idiot.
hidetheelephants said:
The perception of speed is greatly affected by noise; perhaps if people fitted quieter exhausts for green laning the bobble hats would be less inclined to shake their fists at them?
Unlike road bikes very few green laners have fitted aftermarket exhausts IMESeveral TRF run leaders refuse to take anyone with one fitted
hidetheelephants said:
The perception of speed is greatly affected by noise; perhaps if people fitted quieter exhausts for green laning the bobble hats would be less inclined to shake their fists at them?
Alas not so. My bikes have the OEM quiet exhausts fitted, and are only used on legal routes. Still happens.
13 year old died close by us this week, he was on a quad bought as a Christmas present, they dont own any land and he was tearing along the public road with no helmet. Somehow the parents arent being held to account and all the local papers (and multiple schools he attended) are saying he was a wee sweetheart that never bothered anyone.
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