Jerez WSBK Test

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slopes

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40,458 posts

201 months

Wednesday 22nd January
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Today is the first test of 2025 and so far, looks interesting
Van Der Mark is quickest at the moment, from Bulega and Bautista with Rea 4th quickest from Iannone and Bassani . One or two people are clearly sandbagging but those six are the only ones under 1.41 at the moment

slopes

Original Poster:

40,458 posts

201 months

Wednesday 22nd January
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All change now
Top 21 riders are all under 1.41 with Vickers holding up the bottom end of the 1.40 riders, Bulega quickest in the 1.38's, 2nd to 7th in the 1.39's and Rea is struggling down in 17th on a 1.40.368.
Top brit? Redding in 6th on a 1.39.8

bergclimber34

1,121 posts

7 months

Wednesday 22nd January
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Rea has said he almost retired in 24, I think maybe he should have

CaiosH

1,459 posts

240 months

Wednesday 22nd January
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Thanks for the updates!

slopes

Original Poster:

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201 months

Wednesday 22nd January
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Redding right up with Bulega and Iannone, clearly the BMW didn't suit his style and the Ducati does.
No Toprak so that skews the results a bit but even so...

slopes

Original Poster:

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Thursday 23rd January
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bergclimber34 said:
Rea has said he almost retired in 24, I think maybe he should have
I think so yes, the emergence of Toprak, the return of Bautista to Ducati, Iannone arriving, Kawasaki making good progress last year with Lowes, the arrival of a very fast Bulega plus almost everyone else upping their game to try and catch Bulega, Baustista and Toprak have kind of left him behind and for the sake of his legacy, he probably should walk away.

Sykes had the right idea to an extent but ruined it by coming back to BSB and being absolutely nowhere

John D.

19,202 posts

223 months

Thursday 23rd January
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I don't think you car write Rea off after one bad season and pre-season test. He'd have likely gone better on the Kawasaki last year.

slopes

Original Poster:

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Thursday 23rd January
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I do think that everyone else has caught him up though, his days of dominance are over sadly and even 2023 on the Kawasaki he was an also ran to an extent.
Has he lost his ability? No of course not, he could be on a CB500 and me on his R1 and he'd still lap me multiple times round Donington say but i do think the bar has been raised significantly and its a level above where his dominant years used to be. It happens to everyone, look at Bautista, 2 years on the bounce he was head and shoulders above everyone and not even Toprak looked like defeating him, then Toprak goes to BMW and to an extent, nobody saw which way he went, other than Bulega.
And that's the thing for me, even the rookies are at an incredible level now which is fantastic for the sport.

I hope Rea proves me wrong this year and has a stellar year.

John D.

19,202 posts

223 months

Thursday 23rd January
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2023 Kawasaki was less competitive relative to the rest of the bikes than the 2024 though. They were able to get alot more out of the engine last year. Look how well Lowes went.

That's my point. If Rea had stayed at Kawasaki he would have had a more competitive bike, kept his great partnership with Pere Riba (instead of Lowes getting him as his race engineer), and had a much better year. No one would be saying he should retire.

Mmckillop

13 posts

17 months

Thursday 23rd January
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Rea fastest in the wet today.

Makes you think the R1 is lacking top speed / power compared to Ducati and BMW

bergclimber34

1,121 posts

7 months

Thursday 23rd January
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Also makes you very aware of how good Toprak is as he was somehow able to get that thing on regular podiums in 2023.

I honestly believe he would be 20 seconds of everyone on a Ducati.

slopes

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Friday 24th January
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I've said for the last two years that Toprak is head and shoulders above everyone else in WSBK, this year on the unfancied BMW proved that and yes, if he went to Ducati i wouldn't mind betting he would win every race.
As for Rea and Yamaha, Denning has admitted that they need to find top speed and acceleration to get the R1 competitive and i hope they do and Rea has a stellar year.

bergclimber34

1,121 posts

7 months

Friday 24th January
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|I would imagine what has happened really is that Toprak achieving as much as he did on the Yamaha and Locatelli doing OK has masked the issues, now they are more apparent, although Locatelli had a decent season. I do think Rea was way off it though for whatever reason, no way should he be getting beat by Aegerter Gardner or Locatelli.

slopes

Original Poster:

40,458 posts

201 months

Tuesday 28th January
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Aaand just to make everyone feel all warm and fuzzy inside, Eurosport will cease to exist before the new season kicks off.
If you want to watch BSB or WSBK from now on, you will need TNT Sports subscription at £31 a month to be able to watch both series.

So that is my Sky subscription gone then.
Robbing charlatans

srob

12,102 posts

252 months

Tuesday 28th January
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slopes said:
Aaand just to make everyone feel all warm and fuzzy inside, Eurosport will cease to exist before the new season kicks off.
If you want to watch BSB or WSBK from now on, you will need TNT Sports subscription at £31 a month to be able to watch both series.

So that is my Sky subscription gone then.
Robbing charlatans
Isn't TNT included in some package or another already though? I've ended up with it somehow and haven't knowingly paid any more.

Plus TNT will also give you MotoGP.

slopes

Original Poster:

40,458 posts

201 months

Tuesday 28th January
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srob said:
slopes said:
Aaand just to make everyone feel all warm and fuzzy inside, Eurosport will cease to exist before the new season kicks off.
If you want to watch BSB or WSBK from now on, you will need TNT Sports subscription at £31 a month to be able to watch both series.

So that is my Sky subscription gone then.
Robbing charlatans
Isn't TNT included in some package or another already though? I've ended up with it somehow and haven't knowingly paid any more.

Plus TNT will also give you MotoGP.
I don't think so but who knows. If i don't have it, i won't be paying for it that's for sure

John D.

19,202 posts

223 months

Tuesday 28th January
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slopes said:
srob said:
slopes said:
Aaand just to make everyone feel all warm and fuzzy inside, Eurosport will cease to exist before the new season kicks off.
If you want to watch BSB or WSBK from now on, you will need TNT Sports subscription at £31 a month to be able to watch both series.

So that is my Sky subscription gone then.
Robbing charlatans
Isn't TNT included in some package or another already though? I've ended up with it somehow and haven't knowingly paid any more.

Plus TNT will also give you MotoGP.
I don't think so but who knows. If i don't have it, i won't be paying for it that's for sure
MotoGP is on TNT. I have a subscription, although I was thinking of dropping it as UFC has gone pay per view for many events now. Replacing with a MotoGP Video Pass sub. This might swing the balance back again.

slopes

Original Poster:

40,458 posts

201 months

Wednesday 29th January
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Following on from Jerez, the Portimao test has not thrown up too many surprises

Toprak is fastest
Bassani second
Bulega third
Then the three surprises
Gardner fourth
Rea fifth
Vierge sixth and then it goes as you would expect


five50

563 posts

200 months

Wednesday 29th January
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What’s up with redding?
After the early promise it’s back to mid teens?
As he knows himself, he needs a v good year if it’s not to be his last year in wsbk.

bergclimber34

1,121 posts

7 months

Thursday 30th January
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Everyone else went quicker, he has not set the world alight a tiny bit in the past few years, Toprak made him look very average last year and the years before on the BMW a bit like Laverty he is hanging on I think.

On a good bike, but the team matters just as much these days, no idea what they are like