CFmoto

[Acorn1]

I’d never heard of them before now, believe they’re Chinese
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Are they any good, they seem astonishingly good value.

Just watched some guy spanking the new 675NK round a track.

Great looking bike,

[smifffymoto]

I think it’s definitely a brand to watch now. They used to be a typical Chinese manufacturer but now they have shown what they can design with the new triple and bigger capacity 4 cylinder bikes.
Their spirt bikes look good with a decent spec.

[jumpingloci]

The biggest issue is the importer situation. They were brought in as part of the KTM group up until very recently, now with Quadzilla, but supply of bikes has been very poor. The 450 MT is superb in my opinion and the new 800mtx is reviewing very well as well. Sort out the importer/dealer set up and they'll have it cracked

[s1dew1nd3r]

Their issue for me is longevity - how are their bikes going to hold up over say 3-5 years, whats the depreciation going to be for a new owner that has one on PCP for instance?

Time will tell, their bikes look alright - they appear to be going in the right direction but if you watch the 44teeth review of their triple - it was caked in grease near the front brakes!

[gareth_r]

I have no personal experience, but there does seem to be a good chance that CFMoto (and Kove and Voge) will change the image of Chinese bikes. I'd suggest that they are where Enfield was 6 or 7 years ago, and we know how that went.

CFMoto and Voge are sold through the MotoGB dealer network, which is like a motorcycle equivalent of Spar corner shops. Hopefully the individual dealers survive and these apparently "better" brands can demonstrate proper long term reliability and support.

Biggest question at the moment is the new CFMoto importer. KTM's problems screwed up availability, and they've been replaced by Quadzilla, the importer of CFMoto quads and formerly involved in the motorcycle market as WK, I believe.

[Neal H]

I wonder if over the next decade Chinese bikes will take over the market in much the same way as Japanese bikes did in the 1970's. It's probably the reason why Honda are now launching new models at incredibly competitive prices.

[croyde]

I came across a Voge dealer with a big showroom in Santa Cruz, Tenerife at the beginning of the year.

Impressive looking and various flavours ie Sports, Adventure and Commuter, all at nice prices.

[TheStig44]

I had a 450MT and have a 450SR. The MT is now gone but both are great bikes, quality is very good.

[carinaman]

I like the look of the CL-X 700 in heritage form in the early colours. I think it was styled by Kiska who've designed for KTM. I am sure the Z650 parallel twin is serviceable as engines go but I am not sure I'd find it exciting enough.

[Acorn1]

https://roadandtrials.co.uk/products/zontes-703rr

This new Zontes 703RR, looks great.

[Tango13]

Neal H said:

I wonder if over the next decade Chinese bikes will take over the market in much the same way as Japanese bikes did in the 1970's. It's probably the reason why Honda are now launching new models at incredibly competitive prices.

Manufacturing almost always follows the cheap labour, Japan managed to keep their costs down with automation for years but costs are still rising and the Japanese worker has become too expensive so China and it's cheap workers will be the next manufacturing powerhouse.

You could write an economics PHD on the movement of manufacturing based on cheap labour but the giveaway for me was when I saw 'Engineered in Japan, manufactured in Korea' on the side of a hi-fi box a twenty odd years back