Which bike M1000R or S1000R?
Discussion
First of all, hi everyome :wave:
I’ve grown a little tired of my MT-10 and fancy a change. There’s nothing wrong with the MT-10, but it’s my first non-sportsbike, as I’ve got a bit too old, creaky and shall I say bulked up obviously with pure muscle, spelled F A T.
The MT-10 always seemed a bit too underpowered when pushing on. This is being highlighted by a friend who has just picked up a nice shiny Tuono, which absolutely mullers the MT-10min a straight line. My ego is struggling with this as it used to be easy to push past when he was riding a similar powered bike, now it’s hard work hanging on and resulting in a few liberties being taken on corners where the MT-10 again is a bit too soft. I know that makes me sound like a riding god, but we do push boundaries a bit too much and have little traffic, or police where we are.
I’ve looked around and always loved riding the S1000RR. I’m not sure I fancy getting a detuned naked again though, hence the M piquing my interest. The thing is that the S get great reviews and the M is a fair chunk of money more.
Does anyone have any ownership experiences of either? I’m hoping to get some views that can help me decide. I will say I’m set on the new bike being one of these, I don’t want the Tuono as my mate has one and the rest of the market doesn’t really do anything for me.
I’ve grown a little tired of my MT-10 and fancy a change. There’s nothing wrong with the MT-10, but it’s my first non-sportsbike, as I’ve got a bit too old, creaky and shall I say bulked up obviously with pure muscle, spelled F A T.
The MT-10 always seemed a bit too underpowered when pushing on. This is being highlighted by a friend who has just picked up a nice shiny Tuono, which absolutely mullers the MT-10min a straight line. My ego is struggling with this as it used to be easy to push past when he was riding a similar powered bike, now it’s hard work hanging on and resulting in a few liberties being taken on corners where the MT-10 again is a bit too soft. I know that makes me sound like a riding god, but we do push boundaries a bit too much and have little traffic, or police where we are.
I’ve looked around and always loved riding the S1000RR. I’m not sure I fancy getting a detuned naked again though, hence the M piquing my interest. The thing is that the S get great reviews and the M is a fair chunk of money more.
Does anyone have any ownership experiences of either? I’m hoping to get some views that can help me decide. I will say I’m set on the new bike being one of these, I don’t want the Tuono as my mate has one and the rest of the market doesn’t really do anything for me.
I wouldn’t say the M is a detuned naked, I think it has the same engine (shift cam) as the S1000RR, and the S1000R does not have the shift cam.
I’s say the S model would be plenty for most people, and for the price is pretty cheap compared to the M, but if I could afford the M, I’d go for that, just because…. M.
I’s say the S model would be plenty for most people, and for the price is pretty cheap compared to the M, but if I could afford the M, I’d go for that, just because…. M.
Ride them both I’d say, and on an extended test ride if you can.
I’m a huge S1000R fan and have owned a couple of them in the past.
The S1000RR was a natural bike for me, but I absolutely hated it on a test ride, in fact i took it back after 15 / 20 mins because the vibes were so bad I couldn’t feel either of my hands.
If the vibes don’t affect you on a test ride then I’d got for the RR and remove the god awful wings.
I’m a huge S1000R fan and have owned a couple of them in the past.
The S1000RR was a natural bike for me, but I absolutely hated it on a test ride, in fact i took it back after 15 / 20 mins because the vibes were so bad I couldn’t feel either of my hands.
If the vibes don’t affect you on a test ride then I’d got for the RR and remove the god awful wings.
Rick448 said:
I wouldn’t say the M is a detuned naked, I think it has the same engine (shift cam) as the S1000RR, and the S1000R does not have the shift cam.
I’s say the S model would be plenty for most people, and for the price is pretty cheap compared to the M, but if I could afford the M, I’d go for that, just because…. M.
Sorry, probably badly worded by me, the S is the detuned one, the M is the full fat one. That’s why I’m leaning towards the M. I’s say the S model would be plenty for most people, and for the price is pretty cheap compared to the M, but if I could afford the M, I’d go for that, just because…. M.
airsafari87 said:
Ride them both I’d say, and on an extended test ride if you can.
I’m a huge S1000R fan and have owned a couple of them in the past.
The S1000RR was a natural bike for me, but I absolutely hated it on a test ride, in fact i took it back after 15 / 20 mins because the vibes were so bad I couldn’t feel either of my hands.
If the vibes don’t affect you on a test ride then I’d got for the RR and remove the god awful wings.
The RR isn’t an option, I’m too old and creaky to get on and off one now. I’m a huge S1000R fan and have owned a couple of them in the past.
The S1000RR was a natural bike for me, but I absolutely hated it on a test ride, in fact i took it back after 15 / 20 mins because the vibes were so bad I couldn’t feel either of my hands.
If the vibes don’t affect you on a test ride then I’d got for the RR and remove the god awful wings.
I have had 2 x Gen 2 S1000R and swapped to an M last July. Despite trying a Gen 3 S1000R several times, I never thought it that much of an improvement over the previous model( not that its a bad bike at all) , a year or so on, I can say without a doubt the M is the best bike i’ve ever owned.
Price wise you may be surprised to find a S1000R fully specced up will have a OTR price far higher than a base M.
I paid £18,300 for my bike , which for everything it offers and equipment, I think is good value.
The extra power the M offers, agility, handling and stonking brakes means its equally happy and confidence inspiring on longer journeys as it is tearing up my favourite roads.
The bike isnt perfect, we all know about its (few) shortfalls, I do not notice the vibration at all but others cant tolerate it for long periods, the wing mirrors are terrible(due to the vibration) past 70MPH but I have fitted S1000R mirrors which work a little better.
The suspension is firmer than the S as you would expect but I , like may other owners, have set a riding mode to include “road” suspension settings but with all other interventions “off”, you will find a setting that suits you.
The M for me has been near perfect blend of road manners and lunacy, on paper my H2 has a considerable hike in power over the M and speed but the M is a lot more vivid and exciting to ride .
My suggestion would be to visit you local BMW dealer and take both out for a test ride, after reading similar commet to hear about the vibes, I took 2 bikes out for demo , having the bikes for around 8 hours…
Lastly, get an insurance quote before pulling the pin on one, the base model is far less expensive to insure ( with a sub 20k list price) and may not require a tracker fitting either.
Edit. I fitted 25mm bar risers and a higher M seat for additional comfort on my bike.
Price wise you may be surprised to find a S1000R fully specced up will have a OTR price far higher than a base M.
I paid £18,300 for my bike , which for everything it offers and equipment, I think is good value.
The extra power the M offers, agility, handling and stonking brakes means its equally happy and confidence inspiring on longer journeys as it is tearing up my favourite roads.
The bike isnt perfect, we all know about its (few) shortfalls, I do not notice the vibration at all but others cant tolerate it for long periods, the wing mirrors are terrible(due to the vibration) past 70MPH but I have fitted S1000R mirrors which work a little better.
The suspension is firmer than the S as you would expect but I , like may other owners, have set a riding mode to include “road” suspension settings but with all other interventions “off”, you will find a setting that suits you.
The M for me has been near perfect blend of road manners and lunacy, on paper my H2 has a considerable hike in power over the M and speed but the M is a lot more vivid and exciting to ride .
My suggestion would be to visit you local BMW dealer and take both out for a test ride, after reading similar commet to hear about the vibes, I took 2 bikes out for demo , having the bikes for around 8 hours…
Lastly, get an insurance quote before pulling the pin on one, the base model is far less expensive to insure ( with a sub 20k list price) and may not require a tracker fitting either.
Edit. I fitted 25mm bar risers and a higher M seat for additional comfort on my bike.
Edited by podman on Saturday 30th August 19:51
Not looking to criticise anyone here. When you're talking about the MT10, S1000r and the Tuono, you're talking about 3 very fast bikes and if splitting hairs over their performance, I take it we are talking about a pace above 3 leptons? I know it's nothing new with the performance figures rising year on year and tech improving but if anything the roads are getting worse, busier, s
ttier driving and there's always the risk of being pulled.
Id actually love to try the BMW and the Aprillia and it's something I'll probably do in the not too distant future.
ttier driving and there's always the risk of being pulled. Id actually love to try the BMW and the Aprillia and it's something I'll probably do in the not too distant future.
Chicken Chaser said:
Not looking to criticise anyone here. When you're talking about the MT10, S1000r and the Tuono, you're talking about 3 very fast bikes and if splitting hairs over their performance, I take it we are talking about a pace above 3 leptons? I know it's nothing new with the performance figures rising year on year and tech improving but if anything the roads are getting worse, busier, sttier driving and there's always the risk of being pulled.
Id actually love to try the BMW and the Aprillia and it's something I'll probably do in the not too distant future.
I agree. I read the first post and assumed it was track use. If it on the roads all the bikes mentioned are absolutely far in excess of what can be safely or legally explored. If you are racing your mates on the roads, then the choice will become academic eventually. ttier driving and there's always the risk of being pulled. Id actually love to try the BMW and the Aprillia and it's something I'll probably do in the not too distant future.
Chicken Chaser said:
Not looking to criticise anyone here. When you're talking about the MT10, S1000r and the Tuono, you're talking about 3 very fast bikes and if splitting hairs over their performance, I take it we are talking about a pace above 3 leptons? I know it's nothing new with the performance figures rising year on year and tech improving but if anything the roads are getting worse, busier, sttier driving and there's always the risk of being pulled.
Id actually love to try the BMW and the Aprillia and it's something I'll probably do in the not too distant future.
None of them could be anywhere near being fully exploited on the road, so in some respects you're quite right.ttier driving and there's always the risk of being pulled. Id actually love to try the BMW and the Aprillia and it's something I'll probably do in the not too distant future.
But you could say the same about most great cars. We just all buy the stuff that we like
Mr Squarekins said:
None of them could be anywhere near being fully exploited on the road, so in some respects you're quite right.
But you could say the same about most great cars. We just all buy the stuff that we like
Yeah I fully get that, and I'm guilty it of it myself but the OP has exclusively made mention of the lack of pace of the MT10 against the S1000R so they must be really pushing it. Again I'm not critical, I just don't really see many places in the UK (maybe a few roads in Scotland) where finding the limits of these bikes can be found. But you could say the same about most great cars. We just all buy the stuff that we like
This thread grabbed my attention as a non biker, how much power are each of the bikes in question? My googling suggested about 160hp for most of them? I couldn't make sense of the one owned Vs the friends one. I've been on a 100hp bike and I wouldn't say that was lacking for the roads
White-Noise said:
This thread grabbed my attention as a non biker, how much power are each of the bikes in question? My googling suggested about 160hp for most of them? I couldn't make sense of the one owned Vs the friends one. I've been on a 100hp bike and I wouldn't say that was lacking for the roads
The S1000R is around 165, the M 205bhpThe Tuono is 180
Current bike around 160
It’s all relative though, a decent spec Focus won’t be lacking on the roads, but we all want a bit more
Chicken Chaser said:
Yeah I fully get that, and I'm guilty it of it myself but the OP has exclusively made mention of the lack of pace of the MT10 against the S1000R so they must be really pushing it. Again I'm not critical, I just don't really see many places in the UK (maybe a few roads in Scotland) where finding the limits of these bikes can be found.
The lack of pace is against the Tuono. I know I’m probably going to get flamed for the pushing it side of things, but we do have a luxury of quiet(ish) roads and limited policing. Thanks for the comments before about the vibrations, I’ll see if I can get a test ride on both.
White-Noise said:
This thread grabbed my attention as a non biker, how much power are each of the bikes in question? My googling suggested about 160hp for most of them? I couldn't make sense of the one owned Vs the friends one. I've been on a 100hp bike and I wouldn't say that was lacking for the roads
My bike is 'only' 122 BHP.I rarely feel it lacks power.
It's actually pretty rare that I'm at full throttle and rarer still to be at full throttle and peak power RPM.
It's nice to have lots of power and torque so you can make progress without having to be in the right gear.
A better/faster rider than me will be faster with less power, because they'll carry more corner speed and apply power quicker, by looking further ahead.
I also have a smaller bike, about 30BHP, that can be fun, getting the most out of the engine. You have to work at it more and that can be rewarding for an hour or two around the B roads, but on a long ride on faster roads it might become a chore.
Opapayer said:
Chicken Chaser said:
Yeah I fully get that, and I'm guilty it of it myself but the OP has exclusively made mention of the lack of pace of the MT10 against the S1000R so they must be really pushing it. Again I'm not critical, I just don't really see many places in the UK (maybe a few roads in Scotland) where finding the limits of these bikes can be found.
The lack of pace is against the Tuono. I know I’m probably going to get flamed for the pushing it side of things, but we do have a luxury of quiet(ish) roads and limited policing. Thanks for the comments before about the vibrations, I’ll see if I can get a test ride on both.
I take it not the UK.
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