R1 for GSXR1000?
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I think it comes down to personal preference since the standard line ups of 600's and 1000's are pretty similar in their class.
In my opinion though, Suzuki seem to oversteer which is easier to control and Yamahas seem to understeer. However, the Yamaha is undoubtedly of higher build quality. It's a tough call. The GSXR is going to be the more enjoyable ride and the Yam, the easiest to live with, but it's a very close call.
In my opinion though, Suzuki seem to oversteer which is easier to control and Yamahas seem to understeer. However, the Yamaha is undoubtedly of higher build quality. It's a tough call. The GSXR is going to be the more enjoyable ride and the Yam, the easiest to live with, but it's a very close call.
R1 on looks alone I'd say. Back end of the GSXR1000 has been hit with an ugly stick lately. What is it with the tacked on bits on the side of the tailpiece ? They're ene a different colour on the Blue/White scheme, (maybe others but I only remember the Blue/White) making them look even more tacked on.
Every year I go to the NEC and look at the latest Jap 1000 offerings, every year I decide I'm happier with my Duke. But last year Yamaha did get me thinking for a while - the Extreme Yellow edition R1
- nicest Jap looker yet I reckon.
Both bikes are more capable than 99% of riders would ever be able to exploit, and not even Rossi could work one really hard on a public road - not for long anyway. I'd say, for most of us mere mortals, it's more about which one you like the look of than anything else, now more than ever
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>> Edited by yellowvette on Tuesday 11th April 13:00
Every year I go to the NEC and look at the latest Jap 1000 offerings, every year I decide I'm happier with my Duke. But last year Yamaha did get me thinking for a while - the Extreme Yellow edition R1
- nicest Jap looker yet I reckon. Both bikes are more capable than 99% of riders would ever be able to exploit, and not even Rossi could work one really hard on a public road - not for long anyway. I'd say, for most of us mere mortals, it's more about which one you like the look of than anything else, now more than ever
. >> Edited by yellowvette on Tuesday 11th April 13:00
The problem is that it's a difficult call to make as the testrides don't really tell you too much about what the bike would be like to live with day to day.
My head says get a 600 but my heart says get the 1000 - I know that if I did go for a 600 I'd probably want the 1000 within a year anyway just to feel that amazing torque and power! In terms of R1 vs GSXR, I think the GSXR will win the deal because I generally feel it's the right bike for me - it's a nutter and being that it's only going to be used for fun, makes the most sense!
Honestly though, I cannot imagine what the GSXR (or any other supersports 1ltr) would feel like from a standing start to red line through the gears - it must feel like a missile
My head says get a 600 but my heart says get the 1000 - I know that if I did go for a 600 I'd probably want the 1000 within a year anyway just to feel that amazing torque and power! In terms of R1 vs GSXR, I think the GSXR will win the deal because I generally feel it's the right bike for me - it's a nutter and being that it's only going to be used for fun, makes the most sense!
Honestly though, I cannot imagine what the GSXR (or any other supersports 1ltr) would feel like from a standing start to red line through the gears - it must feel like a missile
I've had a 2005 R1 since April last year and covered 13,600 miles on it. A couple of mates have the GSXR 1000 K5. It's a tough call between the two but after riding one of my mates GXSR for about 2 hours it's so easy to ride and easeir than the R1. I chose the R1 as I was given a stonking deal and I part exchanged a Honda CBR 1000 RR for the R1.
When I change bike, probably in early 2007, I'm going to test ride whatever Yamaha, Honda & Suzuki have to offer.
You said earlier in your post that the GSXR would probably feel like a missile if you pinned the throttle through the gears, well if you are used to 600cc machines it would feel like a missile but you soon acclimatise to the additional power of the 1000cc bikes, in fact it becomes adictive
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Good luck with your choice.
Andy.
>> Edited by Andy Oh on Tuesday 11th April 13:54
When I change bike, probably in early 2007, I'm going to test ride whatever Yamaha, Honda & Suzuki have to offer.
You said earlier in your post that the GSXR would probably feel like a missile if you pinned the throttle through the gears, well if you are used to 600cc machines it would feel like a missile but you soon acclimatise to the additional power of the 1000cc bikes, in fact it becomes adictive
. Good luck with your choice.
Andy.
>> Edited by Andy Oh on Tuesday 11th April 13:54
shot2bits said:I had a go at that a little while back on my R1 test ride.
Honestly though, I cannot imagine what the GSXR (or any other supersports 1ltr) would feel like from a standing start to red line through the gears - it must feel like a missile
It's fantastic fun. If you get to walking pace in first and then wind it open gently, but quickly (with the tyres warm) it's almost possible to keep the front wheel on the ground, but it's hard work. I think you should get the thou without a doubt, just to experience it for a while.
bennyboysvuk said:
I had a go at that a little while back on my R1 test ride.
Yep, wind on the power in first & second and it's hard work keeping the front end on terra firma! Very hard work! but loads of fun
One of my mates has just fitted a Yoshi can, BMC air filter and Power Commander to his GSXR 1000 K5 and he says it is hard work keeping the front end down in 3rd & 4th gear it has that much power. He has to lightly trail the rear brake to keep the front end down because of the power!
>> Edited by Andy Oh on Tuesday 11th April 15:25
PhillVR6 said:
Hi All,
Think I've already decided on the GSXR but would be open to any last minute opinions on why the R1 could be the better choice?
Also, anybody know what price I should aim for on a new bike - e.g. dealer discounts?
Thanks, Rob.
This isn't for a first bike is it?
Sorry forgot to ask this question to you myself as you really wouldn't want one of the current 1000cc bikes as your first big bike....have a spell on a focused 600cc bike first. Something like the Honda CBR600RR or the 2006 Yamaha R6 as these biks are probably quicker round the twisties than a 1000cc anyway and you will learn an aweful lot from a 600!
>> Edited by Andy Oh on Tuesday 11th April 15:41
Andy Oh said:
Hi All,
Think I've already decided on the GSXR but would be open to any last minute opinions on why the R1 could be the better choice?
Also, anybody know what price I should aim for on a new bike - e.g. dealer discounts?
Thanks, Rob.
This isn't for a first bike is it?
Sorry forgot to ask this question to you myself as you really wouldn't want one of the current 1000cc bikes as your first big bike....have a spell on a focused 600cc bike first. Something like the Honda CBR600RR or the 2006 Yamaha R6 as these biks are probably quicker round the twisties than a 1000cc anyway and you will learn an aweful lot from a 600!
OK, I have to ask:
Why shouldn’t either the GSXR1000 or the R1 be a first bike? Why should a 600 capable of over 160mph and 0-60 in less than 4 seconds be “better as a first bike” than their 1000cc cousins.
Who, in real road situations, actually rides their 600 near to or at its limits? If you are not riding your bike at its limits then why does it matter that one bike has higher limits than another?
What is important is that the rider of ANY motorcycle rides within the limits of the rider, regardless of the capacity of the bike.
If you want to have a GSXR1000 or an R1 as a first bike, then by all means do so. Likewise if you want a GSXR600 or R6 as a first bike, then go for that. Either way make sure you FULLY understand what YOU are capable of and where you risk your enthusiasm overtaking your ability.
Enjoy and ride safe.
black-k1 said:
Hi All,
Think I've already decided on the GSXR but would be open to any last minute opinions on why the R1 could be the better choice?
Also, anybody know what price I should aim for on a new bike - e.g. dealer discounts?
Thanks, Rob.
This isn't for a first bike is it?
Sorry forgot to ask this question to you myself as you really wouldn't want one of the current 1000cc bikes as your first big bike....have a spell on a focused 600cc bike first. Something like the Honda CBR600RR or the 2006 Yamaha R6 as these biks are probably quicker round the twisties than a 1000cc anyway and you will learn an aweful lot from a 600!
OK, I have to ask:
Why shouldn’t either the GSXR1000 or the R1 be a first bike? Why should a 600 capable of over 160mph and 0-60 in less than 4 seconds be “better as a first bike” than their 1000cc cousins.
Who, in real road situations, actually rides their 600 near to or at its limits? If you are not riding your bike at its limits then why does it matter that one bike has higher limits than another?
What is important is that the rider of ANY motorcycle rides within the limits of the rider, regardless of the capacity of the bike.
If you want to have a GSXR1000 or an R1 as a first bike, then by all means do so. Likewise if you want a GSXR600 or R6 as a first bike, then go for that. Either way make sure you FULLY understand what YOU are capable of and where you risk your enthusiasm overtaking your ability.
Enjoy and ride safe.
There is no reason why someone should not jump straight onto a modern 1000cc bike as their first bike, I bet there are plenty people out there who can confirm this and a few that can't, if you see through that.
It's exactly as you have said about the limits of the two capacity bikes, the 1000cc bike has a much higher limit than a 600cc bike, which means you would naturally push yourself that bit more and to an unexperienced rider that could mean disaster.....enough said I think!
At the end of the day it's each to there own but in my own opinion you can learn a lot from a 160 mph, 0-60 in under 4 sec 600cc bike BEFORE you get on a 1000cc.....the point I'm trying to make is there is a learning curve and that curve is easier to learn on a smaller capacity bike.
>> Edited by Andy Oh on Tuesday 11th April 18:03
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