Racing bike parts.
Discussion
Right I'm starting a fresh build to get back in to biking, mainly due to my old bike being pretty fubar'd.
I'm starting with a Ciocc race frame, I'm aiming to use as much Campag gear on it as possible, anyone got any to donate/sell cheap?
One big debate im having is on wheels, there are a nice set of Vuelta Corsa's on fleabay, brand new with campag hubs for about £60 notes, for the look of the wheel they seem very cheap, anyone used them?
The big question is do I get a nice set of Old style screw on chaingear hubs and a nice set of rims or go down the modern cassete hub route? I'm not going to be constantly changing ratio's so any time advantage in that is not important to me.
The problem with going on to cassete hubs is the frame has braised on Shiman dx gearlevers which click gear to gear, but only click 6 times, most cassetes are 8,9 or 10 speed, and it seems all new rear mechs are made for these shifters that are 1 piece with the brake levers.
Basically I'm stuck between taking the bike up to modern spec, or leaving back in the 1990's, with a nice set of rims on it.
I'm ideally looking to purchase parts used, maybe with the exception of wheels, hence why peoples cast offs would be great!
By the way the bike is a race bike, and the wheels 700c.
I'm starting with a Ciocc race frame, I'm aiming to use as much Campag gear on it as possible, anyone got any to donate/sell cheap?
One big debate im having is on wheels, there are a nice set of Vuelta Corsa's on fleabay, brand new with campag hubs for about £60 notes, for the look of the wheel they seem very cheap, anyone used them?
The big question is do I get a nice set of Old style screw on chaingear hubs and a nice set of rims or go down the modern cassete hub route? I'm not going to be constantly changing ratio's so any time advantage in that is not important to me.
The problem with going on to cassete hubs is the frame has braised on Shiman dx gearlevers which click gear to gear, but only click 6 times, most cassetes are 8,9 or 10 speed, and it seems all new rear mechs are made for these shifters that are 1 piece with the brake levers.
Basically I'm stuck between taking the bike up to modern spec, or leaving back in the 1990's, with a nice set of rims on it.
I'm ideally looking to purchase parts used, maybe with the exception of wheels, hence why peoples cast offs would be great!
By the way the bike is a race bike, and the wheels 700c.
wildoliver said:
Right I'm starting a fresh build to get back in to biking, mainly due to my old bike being pretty fubar'd.
I'm starting with a Ciocc race frame, I'm aiming to use as much Campag gear on it as possible, anyone got any to donate/sell cheap?
One big debate im having is on wheels, there are a nice set of Vuelta Corsa's on fleabay, brand new with campag hubs for about £60 notes, for the look of the wheel they seem very cheap, anyone used them?
The big question is do I get a nice set of Old style screw on chaingear hubs and a nice set of rims or go down the modern cassete hub route? I'm not going to be constantly changing ratio's so any time advantage in that is not important to me.
The problem with going on to cassete hubs is the frame has braised on Shiman dx gearlevers which click gear to gear, but only click 6 times, most cassetes are 8,9 or 10 speed, and it seems all new rear mechs are made for these shifters that are 1 piece with the brake levers.
Basically I'm stuck between taking the bike up to modern spec, or leaving back in the 1990's, with a nice set of rims on it.
I'm ideally looking to purchase parts used, maybe with the exception of wheels, hence why peoples cast offs would be great!
By the way the bike is a race bike, and the wheels 700c.
I'm starting with a Ciocc race frame, I'm aiming to use as much Campag gear on it as possible, anyone got any to donate/sell cheap?
One big debate im having is on wheels, there are a nice set of Vuelta Corsa's on fleabay, brand new with campag hubs for about £60 notes, for the look of the wheel they seem very cheap, anyone used them?
The big question is do I get a nice set of Old style screw on chaingear hubs and a nice set of rims or go down the modern cassete hub route? I'm not going to be constantly changing ratio's so any time advantage in that is not important to me.
The problem with going on to cassete hubs is the frame has braised on Shiman dx gearlevers which click gear to gear, but only click 6 times, most cassetes are 8,9 or 10 speed, and it seems all new rear mechs are made for these shifters that are 1 piece with the brake levers.
Basically I'm stuck between taking the bike up to modern spec, or leaving back in the 1990's, with a nice set of rims on it.
I'm ideally looking to purchase parts used, maybe with the exception of wheels, hence why peoples cast offs would be great!
By the way the bike is a race bike, and the wheels 700c.
To go cassette or screw-on depends on the frame. There are three standards in terms of width between the rear fork ends:
1. 120mm. Up to the early 1960s. 5-speed only.
2. 126mm. Up to the late 80s. meant for 6 speed and narrow 7 and 8-speed screw on blocks.
3. 130mm. Modern standard. 8,9 and 10 speed cassetes.
Shimano still make down tube levers for up to 9-speed. Campag don't make any.
You are embarking on a mountain of a task trying to build a bike from scratch using obsolescent tachnology. I wish you luck.
I'll built a pair of wheels for you if you can get the hubs. Rims are not a problem.
Iv emailed you regarding the brakes!
My frame will be a 126mm will I really have an issue with fitting a 130mm hub in it? from memory there is some slack either side of the existing wheel anyway.
I know its not an easy task, but it is doable and I really dont have the £500-1000 that I would need to get a fully built bike. So I'm stuck with this gorgeous albeit out of date frame, although its only early 90's at a guess.
I do intend to not bother with the frame mounted levers and go for handlebar mounted, it will be pointless trying anything else.
My frame will be a 126mm will I really have an issue with fitting a 130mm hub in it? from memory there is some slack either side of the existing wheel anyway.
I know its not an easy task, but it is doable and I really dont have the £500-1000 that I would need to get a fully built bike. So I'm stuck with this gorgeous albeit out of date frame, although its only early 90's at a guess.
I do intend to not bother with the frame mounted levers and go for handlebar mounted, it will be pointless trying anything else.
Edited by wildoliver on Wednesday 26th July 22:36
Ok......... This makes life harder, and also frustrating that the bike shop I was in today didnt think to tell me any of this while trying to sell me a groupset.
Question.
If I measure the frame, and it measures 130mm (or slightly more) even though it was designed and built prior to cassete hubs becoming in vogue will there be an isssue fitting a cassete hub? Basically I'm used to these frames having stretched, I half hope this one has.
If not I'll just go down the retro road. I really can;t afford a new frame, well not a nice one anyway.
Question.
If I measure the frame, and it measures 130mm (or slightly more) even though it was designed and built prior to cassete hubs becoming in vogue will there be an isssue fitting a cassete hub? Basically I'm used to these frames having stretched, I half hope this one has.
If not I'll just go down the retro road. I really can;t afford a new frame, well not a nice one anyway.
Hi Mate ,
I was in a similar position , 5 years ago I inherited my fathers bike , it was a classic hand built bike early around 1951 ( Reg Harris style)reynolds 531 tubing. Fixed Gear ..........only the frame survived , really was a great looking icon..and much history .
My father now 76 ...changed the fixed gear arrangement to a 5 speed cassette in the 80s which was the maximum the rear stays could accomodate .
I wanted the bike to still look retro but with modern wheels and Tour de France spec components , took the bike to an old established bike Shop Bob Jacksons in Leeds .......
they re -altered the frame and widened the rear stays to allow fitting modern wheel sizes and incorporated shimano 105 complete system. the forks were in keeping with the period . The bike was re-sprayed in BRG with my fathers name in gold italic with 50s period logos and re-chromed . Bike looks a million dollars .
still kept the period look with the advantage of modern sti levers and 27 gears.
unfortunately I weigh in around 90kg my father is 75kg and I proved to heavy and had too much power which was causing the frame to flex under acceleration. So have retired the bike and Just use it for Sunday rides now .
I decided I really wanted a top of the line Italian Tour de France spec bike so upgraded to a new C50 Colnago this Summer the difference is incredible a kin to swapping a road car for a racing one.
The Colnago is so precise , as much kit as possible is carbon fibre including Campag Hyperon wheels for strength and lightness . For Hill work I have more confidence decending .
Just need to get the weight down to around 80kg and get time off work to enjoy
cheers
wildoliver said:
Question.
If I measure the frame, and it measures 130mm (or slightly more) even though it was designed and built prior to cassete hubs becoming in vogue will there be an isssue fitting a cassete hub? Basically I'm used to these frames having stretched, I half hope this one has.
If not I'll just go down the retro road. I really can;t afford a new frame, well not a nice one anyway.
130mm is today's standard. You won't find "screw on hubs" in that size, so casettes are your only way ahead.
8-speed is obsolescent, ie. still supported but not supplied new. 9-speed is on its way out, the only option is 10-speed which will give the system longevity.
You will need to establish that the bottom bracket is English, 68mm wide, 1.37x26, LH and RH threads. It may be Italian, 70mm wide, both RH threads, which are a pain to get.
Ermm... be careful with the campag Delta brakes.. bloody lethal in wet, could jam on the rims if the blocks wear too far and do you own a 3.5mm allan key to attach cable to them? Not really something I would consider on a bike today.
That said, I have three sets, two in the rare century grey anodized (one NEW and never used, other fitted to my D'accordi 50th anniversary frame togther with a full new, never used campag C-record century gruppo) and a standard silver set. The century finish was only produced in 500 sets IIRC..
THey have a value amongst collectors as they are fekking beautiful, but ultimately flawed as a useful brake..
That said, I have three sets, two in the rare century grey anodized (one NEW and never used, other fitted to my D'accordi 50th anniversary frame togther with a full new, never used campag C-record century gruppo) and a standard silver set. The century finish was only produced in 500 sets IIRC..
THey have a value amongst collectors as they are fekking beautiful, but ultimately flawed as a useful brake..
Edited by LRdriver II on Thursday 27th July 09:24
Right I'm getting there.
I can get a 3.5mm allen key as I am from a family of engineers and run an mg resto business, and I do like the delta brakes, so hopefully the kind chap and I can come to some sort of deal!
The bb will be italian, I'll be amazed if its british, and I recall last time we built it up I had a prob with it so it will be Italian.
I can get hold of a full classic record groupset, which will obviousy fit straight on, although my preference is to go down the modern route.
Hmmm tricky, it will all go on price in the long run I think.
I can get a 3.5mm allen key as I am from a family of engineers and run an mg resto business, and I do like the delta brakes, so hopefully the kind chap and I can come to some sort of deal!
The bb will be italian, I'll be amazed if its british, and I recall last time we built it up I had a prob with it so it will be Italian.
I can get hold of a full classic record groupset, which will obviousy fit straight on, although my preference is to go down the modern route.
Hmmm tricky, it will all go on price in the long run I think.
TBH..it will make more sense to buy new (complete bike). But if you really want to keep the old frame (I did the same with my 1996 Klein Pulse frame, upgraded it with 9 speed xtr) then you are looking for a complete drive train overhaul. things I can think of : rear derailleur, front derailleur, bb,chainset, shifters (STI or the campag equivilant) cables, brake calipers (might not work with different lever ratios) rear cogset, new hubset to allow wider rear cog cluster.
Strip the old bike down and get all the measurements (front derailleur brazed-on or band size, BB shell thread, chainset crank length, cog set ratios and rear derailleur length to fit. Then go on-line or better yet go to your local bike store and ask them to price you up on a complete groupset from Campagnolo with a set of buildt wheels. THis will save money, get you discounted work rate as they can build it up for you and you get your favorit fram with new modern bits.
Unless you have the tech know-how, buying bits from ebay MAY leave you with a bunch of incompatible bits and wasted money
Strip the old bike down and get all the measurements (front derailleur brazed-on or band size, BB shell thread, chainset crank length, cog set ratios and rear derailleur length to fit. Then go on-line or better yet go to your local bike store and ask them to price you up on a complete groupset from Campagnolo with a set of buildt wheels. THis will save money, get you discounted work rate as they can build it up for you and you get your favorit fram with new modern bits.
Unless you have the tech know-how, buying bits from ebay MAY leave you with a bunch of incompatible bits and wasted money
cool... you're right, it is more satisfying to build your own ride. I buildt all my bikes myself thu the years and enjoy upgrading them with more trick bits. For the fun of it, I made myself a challenge, buy every bit I needed off ebay for a Klein frame I had sitting in the loft. SID xc fork, magnesium Avid V's etc..etc..
Which record series is it?..the older nuevo record or super record or the newer C-record (remember Greg Lemonds TdF time trial era..)
Which record series is it?..the older nuevo record or super record or the newer C-record (remember Greg Lemonds TdF time trial era..)
Very much depends which way I go, It will either be the old record, or the new c record, but the first part I buy kind of makes the choice for me, as they are incompatible with each other, and the first choice will be wheels, and as I want a pretty set (lol) I think it will be going down the new route!
I've got some good nick campag record large flange hubs (circa 1988 vintage)that are sitting in my garage doing bugger all. Bung me a few quid and they are in the post. Sorry can't remember how many spokes they take, used to but it escapes me now. The rear had a six speed block on it. If you are interested PM me.
They used to be built in to some Mavic GP40 rims but I took them out for some reason and the old man chucked the rims
Got rid of the road bike when I took to cars but I still have my Joe Waugh track bike though.
They used to be built in to some Mavic GP40 rims but I took them out for some reason and the old man chucked the rims
Got rid of the road bike when I took to cars but I still have my Joe Waugh track bike though.Hi Oliver, yes got your mail. It's a shme because last year I binned a couple of Chorus chainsets from the early nineties (big rings worn but 42 rings still fine), a load of GP4s in various states of overuse, Cinelli 66 bars and stem, and possibly soe more stuff. Further to this I tossed a 1996 LeMond in ELX tubing with front mech and Chorus calipers into a tip. It had been used as a winter bike for 6 or 7 years though, so was way past it's best.
The Record Deltas..I'll go and check out their condition later this evening.
Cheers, Tony
The Record Deltas..I'll go and check out their condition later this evening.
Cheers, Tony
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