how quicks a Ducati 999S?
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was following a guy on one today, we were pretty equally matched through the corners and stayed with each other but when we got onto the straight my bike pulled out a fair sized gap, what kind of power do they run? i knew it was a little less but i didnt know they gave such a straight line deficit to the inline 4s?
I have neve had anything go past me more so out of bends r1s gsxr allthough going down the back straight at donnington once up to the bridge i think they would be a bit quicker mine has 139 back wheel for now . Allso depends if its a proper 998 or its the 996 botom end with the 998 top end they are a bit odd the early ones. The only 999 is the R.
rsvmilly said:
I've always preferred the styling of Yamahas and it was the original blue R1 which really got me interested in learning to ride. That and the 916.
Well, when I learn to ride properly (or when I've paid for this one) I'll get one as a weekend toy, me thinks...Keep the R6 for commuting on though.
chilli said:
rsvmilly said:
I've always preferred the styling of Yamahas and it was the original blue R1 which really got me interested in learning to ride. That and the 916.
Well, when I learn to ride properly I'll get one as a weekend toy, me thinks...Keep the R6 for commuting on though.
Commuting on big bikes is easier than smaller capacity ones. Only downside through town is that the 105mph 1st gear can mean some clutch slipping in really slow traffic.
rsvmilly said:
chilli said:
rsvmilly said:
I've always preferred the styling of Yamahas and it was the original blue R1 which really got me interested in learning to ride. That and the 916.
Well, when I learn to ride properly I'll get one as a weekend toy, me thinks...Keep the R6 for commuting on though.
Commuting on big bikes is easier than smaller capacity ones. Only downside through town is that the 105mph 1st gear can mean some clutch slipping in really slow traffic.
105mph in FIRST. Feckin hell!!!!! I thought the 70mph or so on the R6 was a bit special!!! I find the R6 rather nimble, any ideas how this would compare to the R1?
DennisTheMenace said:
Had a blat on the ZX12R when i to it in for an MOT , left one standing my mates 996 wasnt much quicker than my ZZR600 in a stright line , pissed him off on the ZX6R , all down to the riders ability though , not the bike .
bottle or balls as its known, I used to kill R6's on my mito
only on the bends mind, as soon as we come to a straight id be in catch up mode but as soon as the next set of twisties appeared, the fun started all over again. if a competent rider was driving I bet I would have been left for dust.
like the R1 I challenged at the lights once on the 748s, stayed ahead of me on his back wheel to 120 . . . . . . I was gutted.
This video of a GSXR1000 always impresses me as to how quick these inline fours are
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?d
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?d
The difference between the 999 and litre 4 cyl bikes may be about more than just power.
I wonder if the 999 is delivered "overgeared" like the 996 was? (to pass some nazi noise test)
If so a fairly drastic reduction in the final drive ratio would close the percieved performance gap a bit.
I wonder if the 999 is delivered "overgeared" like the 996 was? (to pass some nazi noise test)
If so a fairly drastic reduction in the final drive ratio would close the percieved performance gap a bit.
DennisTheMenace said:
Had a blat on the ZX12R when i to it in for an MOT , left one standing my mates 996 wasnt much quicker than my ZZR600 in a stright line , pissed him off on the ZX6R , all down to the riders ability though , not the bike .
the ZX12R probably makes similar power to the latest bunch of 1000s i would imagine, although would have a higher top speed due to different gearing?
YamR1V64motion said:
was following a guy on one today, we were pretty equally matched through the corners and stayed with each other but when we got onto the straight my bike pulled out a fair sized gap, what kind of power do they run? i knew it was a little less but i didnt know they gave such a straight line deficit to the inline 4s?
I was out a while back and spotted my dad's mate (he's got a BMW R1150RT and I've got a GSXR1000K6) - i caught him up (not too tricky TBH) and sat in front of him at BMW-esque speeds for the ride back to town. When we got there he said "Tell you what, I was hammering it a bit in the corners to keep up but yours isn't much faster than mine on the straights is it?"
Made me chuckle.... My point however is that he might have been easing up on the straights a bit? I know I do, just because they're obvious places for speed traps.
chilli said:
rsvmilly said:
I think the R6 is around 160kg dry. The R1 is only about 8-10kg heavier, with 50% more power and lots more torque. The R6 is probably more agile but there won't be much in it.
Christ....Double the power, and loads more of them torque things.....I can only imagine.
that's 1½ times http://tinyurl.com/ll6wb
Bike mags dyno the 1000s at around 155bhp at the rear wheel but the real difference is in the torque. People talk about V-twins making lots of torque but the 1000 fours make more. V twins just make it more uniformly and it starts at lower revs.
Torque (forgive me if I'm teaching you to suck eggs) is the twisting force that gives you accelleration. With lots more of it, big capacity bikes become much easier to ride with no need to scream revs in order to overtake. Because of this, they can be higher geared - giving 100+ mph first gears.
Of course, all of that torque means you need to be very gentle with the throttle if you don't want to overwhelm the rear whilst banked.
I remember looking at the thrust curve (effective accelleration after gearing and torque have been considered) of a GSXR1000 and an R6. At the same road speed the GSXR had as much accelleration in sixth as the R6 did in fourth (It might even have been third although my memory is hazy)
rsvmilly said:
chilli said:
[quote=rsvmilly]I think the R6 is around 160kg dry. The R1 is only about 8-10kg heavier, with 50% more power and lots more torque. The R6 is probably more agile but there won't be much in it.
Christ....Double the power, and loads more of them torque things.....I can only imagine.
that's 1½ times {/quote]
D'oh.....Would you believe I'm a Treasury Accountant!!!!!!! Just an oversight!
Thanks for the explanation, I think I get it.
philelmer said:
Made me chuckle.... My point however is that he might have been easing up on the straights a bit? I know I do, just because they're obvious places for speed traps.
i was just behind him at the only straight and he had termis on so i know he was giving it everything it had
(which sounded fantastic by the way) but mine just kind of effortlessly pulled past and eeked out a good gap before we had to brake, it was good fun either way though, nice to see a Ducati been ridden properly instead of stuck in a garage been polished for all but 2 days of the year. Edited by YamR1V64motion on Wednesday 6th September 11:40
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