R1 related - Ingore if you're bored with me. but...
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And the BIN price looks a little silly too! Autotrader says :
2004 YAMAHA YZF-R1 2004
2,300 miles, Owned from new and collected in September 2004. Accumen Cat 1 Alarm, Scottoiler, Trickle Charge Battery system. Immaculate condition with only dry miles completed. Full Service History - Must be seen. £4,895
2004 YAMAHA YZF-R1 2004
2,300 miles, Owned from new and collected in September 2004. Accumen Cat 1 Alarm, Scottoiler, Trickle Charge Battery system. Immaculate condition with only dry miles completed. Full Service History - Must be seen. £4,895
chilli said:
Have I missed something? Are you going to buy an R1? If so, welcome to the 1000cc world of lunacy
momentofmadness said:
And the BIN price looks a little silly too! Autotrader says :
2004 YAMAHA YZF-R1 2004
2,300 miles, Owned from new and collected in September 2004. Accumen Cat 1 Alarm, Scottoiler, Trickle Charge Battery system. Immaculate condition with only dry miles completed. Full Service History - Must be seen. £4,895
Isn't that because you're showing a late registered 2003 model instead of a genuine 2004 model?
2004 YAMAHA YZF-R1 2004
2,300 miles, Owned from new and collected in September 2004. Accumen Cat 1 Alarm, Scottoiler, Trickle Charge Battery system. Immaculate condition with only dry miles completed. Full Service History - Must be seen. £4,895
Isn't that because you're showing a late registered 2003 model instead of a genuine 2004 model?
not meaning to piss on your chips or anything chilli but you had an new R6 as pretty much your first bike if i remember right and are still getting to grips with it and have had a few spills? are you sure getting an R1 with a load more power and especially at this time of year with the roads starting to get crappy is a good idea? your current bikes still a very beautiful and fast machine perhaps you could keep it and make the change next year when the new model R1 will be out and these ones will have dropped more money?
YamR1V64motion said:
not meaning to piss on your chips or anything chilli but you had an new R6 as pretty much your first bike if i remember right and are still getting to grips with it and have had a few spills? are you sure getting an R1 with a load more power and especially at this time of year with the roads starting to get crappy is a good idea? your current bikes still a very beautiful and fast machine perhaps you could keep it and make the change next year when the new model R1 will be out and these ones will have dropped more money?
I hear where you're coming from. It's just that the R6 is a daily commute. What with all the scooter wnakers parking their bikes all over it, it no longer "feels" like the special bike it was when I bought it, and it;s dione 8,500 miles already! I just want a weekend bike to wrap in a duvet and bring it out when it's nice!!
Mad Dave said:
Mate, I ride a ZX7R pretty hard and i'm seriously considering a '98 R1 but have been advised that it's a big step up - be bloody careful! I would go the other route and get a cheap hack as your daily commute and wrap up the R6 for those special rides.
Listen to this man, he's talking sense!
Another thing worth mentioning is that your R6, from the reviews i've read, is wholly unsuitable for a daily commute - the power is all at the top of the rev range so unless you're constantly 'on one' it's no fun - it's better suited to fast road rides and trackdays than commuting.
Just to reinforce my earlier post, many of my fellow bikers regard me as a knee-sliding, peg-scraping lunatic - yet i'm apprehensive about getting onto something as light and as powerful as an R1 - apparently it'll lift the front in 3rd off the throttle and generally wags it's head rather a lot - personally I quite like this, and get my 7R dancing like this quite regularly, but only under hard provocation - apparently the R1 will do it without as much manhandling.
Seriously, consider waiting for a bit - your two crashes, and the manner in which they happened (IIRC, quite elementary errors) hint that you're a relatively inexperienced rider - they're no shame in this, and i'm not getting at you at all, i'm just saying to build up gradually. Another point is that unless you know what you're doing, you won't get the best out of something like an R1; it'll more likely intimidate you and hinder your progress. I've always said to myself that there's no point changing a bike unless you can absolutely ride the wheels off it - then, and only then, is it worth stepping up to something more advanced.
I really don't want to sound patronising, and I can only go on hazy memories of the accidents you posted up here, but none of us want another 'biker down' post on here mate.
Just to reinforce my earlier post, many of my fellow bikers regard me as a knee-sliding, peg-scraping lunatic - yet i'm apprehensive about getting onto something as light and as powerful as an R1 - apparently it'll lift the front in 3rd off the throttle and generally wags it's head rather a lot - personally I quite like this, and get my 7R dancing like this quite regularly, but only under hard provocation - apparently the R1 will do it without as much manhandling.
Seriously, consider waiting for a bit - your two crashes, and the manner in which they happened (IIRC, quite elementary errors) hint that you're a relatively inexperienced rider - they're no shame in this, and i'm not getting at you at all, i'm just saying to build up gradually. Another point is that unless you know what you're doing, you won't get the best out of something like an R1; it'll more likely intimidate you and hinder your progress. I've always said to myself that there's no point changing a bike unless you can absolutely ride the wheels off it - then, and only then, is it worth stepping up to something more advanced.
I really don't want to sound patronising, and I can only go on hazy memories of the accidents you posted up here, but none of us want another 'biker down' post on here mate.
Mad Dave said:
I really don't want to sound patronising, and I can only go on hazy memories of the accidents you posted up here, but none of us want another 'biker down' post on here mate.
Not at all. I really, really appreciate the advice....I just love the look of them, and sometimes feel that the R6 no longer "fast enough" when pulling away! I know, sounds ridiculous. I prob only get 50% (if that)out of the R6, but just feel like I'm used to it. Also, I guess at the mo, I'm just ripping open the throttle when I feel like it, and have never spun the rear, or had it "snake". I guess this is down to the bikes electronics? or am I talking crap?!
Hmmm....I could buy one and just keep it in the garage, and tell everyone I've got an R1!!!
I'm glad you've taken my comments in the manner in which they were intended mate
re Pulling away - well i guess that would be attributed to power delivery I mentioned - if all the power is at the top of the rev range, you aren't going to be accessing it from a standstill. Do you keep the engine in this 'sweet spot' when riding hard? You should do - I don't know how much advanced tuition you've had, but if you haven't had much i'd wholeheartedly advise it (to anyone, not just you) as it will teach you how to get the most out of your own bike, rather than buying a faster bike.
re Sliding etc - well you want to be avoiding that really. I've had the back step out quite a few times on the 7R, mainly when I first bought it, and it's not something i'd want to do by choice! The fact I saved them was more down to luck, and a stable bike, than judgement!
Whereabouts do you live mate? Happy to go for a spin with you some time. I'm not the fastest rider in the world but i'm not the slowest either The best way to get quicker is riding with a quicker rider. Well, maybe not the best way as it can tempt you into trouble, but it's fun 
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re Pulling away - well i guess that would be attributed to power delivery I mentioned - if all the power is at the top of the rev range, you aren't going to be accessing it from a standstill. Do you keep the engine in this 'sweet spot' when riding hard? You should do - I don't know how much advanced tuition you've had, but if you haven't had much i'd wholeheartedly advise it (to anyone, not just you) as it will teach you how to get the most out of your own bike, rather than buying a faster bike.
re Sliding etc - well you want to be avoiding that really. I've had the back step out quite a few times on the 7R, mainly when I first bought it, and it's not something i'd want to do by choice! The fact I saved them was more down to luck, and a stable bike, than judgement!
Whereabouts do you live mate? Happy to go for a spin with you some time. I'm not the fastest rider in the world but i'm not the slowest either
The best way to get quicker is riding with a quicker rider. Well, maybe not the best way as it can tempt you into trouble, but it's fun heheSteve_T said:
Mad Dave said:
Mate, I ride a ZX7R pretty hard and i'm seriously considering a '98 R1 but have been advised that it's a big step up - be bloody careful! I would go the other route and get a cheap hack as your daily commute and wrap up the R6 for those special rides.
Listen to this man, he's talking sense!
Dave if you get an old R1 be very carefull , not that forgiving if you try grabbing it by the scruff of the neck , it will turn and bite you on the ass .
chilli said:
Mad Dave said:
I really don't want to sound patronising, and I can only go on hazy memories of the accidents you posted up here, but none of us want another 'biker down' post on here mate.
Not at all. I really, really appreciate the advice....I just love the look of them, and sometimes feel that the R6 no longer "fast enough" when pulling away! I know, sounds ridiculous. I prob only get 50% (if that)out of the R6, but just feel like I'm used to it. Also, I guess at the mo, I'm just ripping open the throttle when I feel like it, and have never spun the rear, or had it "snake". I guess this is down to the bikes electronics? or am I talking crap?!
Hmmm....I could buy one and just keep it in the garage, and tell everyone I've got an R1!!!
How fast do you ride on the road Chilli ?
I only ask I as too often think about upgrading. This is normally when I'm sat at home reading a bike magazine. Then I take the R6 on track & realise just how quick these things are. Maybe not in a straight line, but in the bends its a whole different story.
As for spinning the rear wheel & 'snaking'. If you are doing this on the road then I suspect you won't be riding much longer. Even on track the R6 doesn't really spin the wheel (although have had it happen in damp conditions).
I can kind of understand the mentality of wanting the 'fastest', etc, but think it would be better to get a bit more experience before upgrading otherwise you'll probably hinder your learning.
Keep the R6. Do the superbike school (& a few track days) & then if you think its too slow change it.
chilli said:
Also, I guess at the mo, I'm just ripping open the throttle when I feel like it, and have never spun the rear, or had it "snake". I guess this is down to the bikes electronics?
No electronics - just plenty of grip. But I've had a 2003 R6 spinning up exiting a wet greasy roundabout. I'd just hooked third as the front felt a little slippy but there must have been diesel down as it still spun up. If you do get an R1 you'll be better replacing your commuting bike with something torquier like an SV.
You'll need to be a lot gentler with the throttle on an R1, especially on wet roundabouts.
My Aprilia - now that can spin up in the dry
I ride a litre GSXR and can honestly say it's as easy or hard to ride as you like... Not sure about the R1 but if the fueling is in the same league as the Suzuki, I wouldn't worry about the extra power catching you out - unless you're crazy and ride full on all of the time... It's not like you have to crack the throttle fully open when you're exiting a corner - you can use as much or as little as you like. The one thing I would say is that, until you are used to the bike, it gains speed like nothing on this earth so you end up arriving at corners way faster than you would on a 600. However, once you recalibrate your brain, this shouldn't be a massive issue. I ride with two guys on a regular basis - 2006 R6 and 2006 GSXR 600 - they thrash their bikes within an inch of their life, me I just open the throttle in any gear and follow them riding on the torque. And... for straight line thrills, it doesn't get much better than a litre bike - 170mph in the blink of an eye!
Having said all this, it would be much easier and perhaps more fun to learn on a 600. I always feel like the 1000 is way more capable than me - I rode an SV650 and, yeah, it felt like it was agricultural compared to the GSXR but it sure was fun thrashing a bike for once. The 1000 has the potential to be massive fun - will I ever be good enough to exploit the power - not so sure! So, there's the rub - do you stay with a bike that you feel on top of or do you buy something which you may always feel has an unreachable potential which may take the fun away...
So, by all means go for the 1000 but don't expect it to be more fun than the 600 with exception of in a straight line unless of course you're way more capable than me!
Having said all this, it would be much easier and perhaps more fun to learn on a 600. I always feel like the 1000 is way more capable than me - I rode an SV650 and, yeah, it felt like it was agricultural compared to the GSXR but it sure was fun thrashing a bike for once. The 1000 has the potential to be massive fun - will I ever be good enough to exploit the power - not so sure! So, there's the rub - do you stay with a bike that you feel on top of or do you buy something which you may always feel has an unreachable potential which may take the fun away...
So, by all means go for the 1000 but don't expect it to be more fun than the 600 with exception of in a straight line unless of course you're way more capable than me!
Edited by shot2bits on Monday 9th October 21:49
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