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StuB

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6,695 posts

260 months

Sunday 22nd April 2007
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So what did we all think to that?

I had a brilliant morning and happily have it taped too, so I can watch it a few more times this week

Makes F1 look ..... tame isn't a strong enough word is it?

FourWheelDrift

91,609 posts

305 months

Sunday 22nd April 2007
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125, 250 and MotoGP were all good this week.

SamHH

5,065 posts

237 months

Sunday 22nd April 2007
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Good but like many recent F1 races, very little fighting for the lead.

I think the fact that motorbike Grands Prix are far shorter than Formula One Grands Prix means that the action is necessarily more intense.

sjj84

2,396 posts

240 months

Sunday 22nd April 2007
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Granted there wasn't a fight for the lead, Stoner simply rode away from the pack, but the fight for 3rd more than made up for it. Wonder what affected Rossi so badly.

yellowvette

1,142 posts

243 months

Sunday 22nd April 2007
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Great battle for third, and fair play to Stoner for another solid performance. He's looking a real threat for the title this year if he keeps it up.
According to BBC site, Rossi says he had unexpected tyre problems. He also says he was unhappy with the way Elias rode as he was dangerous, overtaking inside and then changing his line. Must admit, good to watch but I thought Elias was taking the p*ss once or twice.

TheExcession

11,669 posts

271 months

Sunday 22nd April 2007
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SamHH said:
Good but like many recent F1 races, very little fighting for the lead.

I think the fact that motorbike Grands Prix are far shorter than Formula One Grands Prix means that the action is necessarily more intense.
I think it's more about the lack of reliance on downforce in bike racing. They can get close to each other without disturbing the level of grip.

Quite amzing that the whole grid qualified within a couple of seconds of each other.

Rawwr

22,722 posts

255 months

Sunday 22nd April 2007
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yellowvette said:
Great battle for third, and fair play to Stoner for another solid performance. He's looking a real threat for the title this year if he keeps it up.
According to BBC site, Rossi says he had unexpected tyre problems. He also says he was unhappy with the way Elias rode as he was dangerous, overtaking inside and then changing his line. Must admit, good to watch but I thought Elias was taking the p*ss once or twice.


Yeah, I'll second that about Elias - he was being a bit of a dick today.

StuB

Original Poster:

6,695 posts

260 months

Sunday 22nd April 2007
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Rawwr said:
yellowvette said:
Great battle for third, and fair play to Stoner for another solid performance. He's looking a real threat for the title this year if he keeps it up.
According to BBC site, Rossi says he had unexpected tyre problems. He also says he was unhappy with the way Elias rode as he was dangerous, overtaking inside and then changing his line. Must admit, good to watch but I thought Elias was taking the p*ss once or twice.


Yeah, I'll second that about Elias - he was being a bit of a dick today.


Du Puniet did a great job too yikes which kind of took a few major players out early. I'd be gobsmacked if Pedrosa hasn't broken his arm.

I think the young guns have to assert themselves somehow and it's a split second decision which, once committed to, is too late to back out of.

I can honestly say I've seen worse than what Elias was doing - Rossi on Gibernau at the last corner in Valencia for a start.

Not trying to provoke a debate here, just trying to offer a balanced opinion. It's a really tough call and sometimes it looks a bit off, but no-one ends up on the deck, so all's well.

There was a very good shot of Rossi's back tyre when the 'train' was catching him and you could see it was cream crackered.

Rawwr

22,722 posts

255 months

Sunday 22nd April 2007
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Oh I'm sure every rider makes a ridiculous move at some point, it's just today was Elias's day and he had a few damn good goes at it.

As for Pedrosa, it appears he landed on his chest and has possibly broken something there.

FourWheelDrift

91,609 posts

305 months

Sunday 22nd April 2007
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StuB said:
Du Puniet did a great job too yikes which kind of took a few major players out early.


Olivier Jacque Not RDP, he finished 8th.

Did you see the top speed listing which was taken at the end of the final long straight just before the last corners where all hell broke loose on lap 1, it was flashed up at the end of the race. Here's the hard copy.



Jacque was 4km/h faster than his team mate and well up with the Ducati's, I think he might just have braked a little too late. Don't you think

Notice it's his race speed on full fuel (from 1 lap) compared to the others during qualifying and practice. RDP's was race as well though but I think he got his fastest when drafting at the end of the race behind a Ducati/Yamaha/Honda.


Edited by FourWheelDrift on Sunday 22 April 19:52

996 sps

6,165 posts

237 months

Sunday 22nd April 2007
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StuB said:
Rawwr said:
yellowvette said:
Great battle for third, and fair play to Stoner for another solid performance. He's looking a real threat for the title this year if he keeps it up.
According to BBC site, Rossi says he had unexpected tyre problems. He also says he was unhappy with the way Elias rode as he was dangerous, overtaking inside and then changing his line. Must admit, good to watch but I thought Elias was taking the p*ss once or twice.


Yeah, I'll second that about Elias - he was being a bit of a dick today.


Du Puniet did a great job too yikes which kind of took a few major players out early. I'd be gobsmacked if Pedrosa hasn't broken his arm.

I think the young guns have to assert themselves somehow and it's a split second decision which, once committed to, is too late to back out of.

I can honestly say I've seen worse than what Elias was doing - Rossi on Gibernau at the last corner in Valencia for a start.

Not trying to provoke a debate here, just trying to offer a balanced opinion. It's a really tough call and sometimes it looks a bit off, but no-one ends up on the deck, so all's well.

There was a very good shot of Rossi's back tyre when the 'train' was catching him and you could see it was cream crackered.


Agree totally i'm a massive Rossi fan and he would of took the same line as Elias, when Rossi stuffed into Gibernau no one really cared. Brilliant days racing!

scobby17

181 posts

229 months

Sunday 22nd April 2007
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yellowvette said:
Great battle for third, and fair play to Stoner for another solid performance. He's looking a real threat for the title this year if he keeps it up.
According to BBC site, Rossi says he had unexpected tyre problems. He also says he was unhappy with the way Elias rode as he was dangerous, overtaking inside and then changing his line. Must admit, good to watch but I thought Elias was taking the p*ss once or twice.


Thought the Elias moves were OK, agressive but fair, nothing Rossi would not do on a better day. On the worst one he did apologise with a little flick of the boot, good racing though all the way through the new tyre regs seem to be a good thing...

biker's nemesis

40,875 posts

229 months

Sunday 22nd April 2007
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Excellent racing today. Big Rossi fan myself but the better man won. Felt sorry for Edwards, how much bad luck can that man have?

Well done to young Bradley Smith, he really needs performances like that to secure his future in Moto GP.

YamR1V64motion

5,732 posts

245 months

Sunday 22nd April 2007
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Elias did a bit of a hard move on Rossi but how many others would have done the same in his position?, theres been far worse than that before, the Rossi/Gibernau for a start and i remember some of Marco Melandris antics in his 250 days raising an eyebrow.

anonymous-user

75 months

Monday 23rd April 2007
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What a race! So nearly a 1, 2, 3 for Ducati too - what a result that would have been! I feel gutted for Colin Edwards especially after he qualified so well, but how strange was it to see Rossi being overtaken and slowly going backwards! This is turning out to be a cracking season and it's barely started!

wassy

632 posts

276 months

Monday 23rd April 2007
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scobby17 said:
yellowvette said:
Great battle for third, and fair play to Stoner for another solid performance. He's looking a real threat for the title this year if he keeps it up.
According to BBC site, Rossi says he had unexpected tyre problems. He also says he was unhappy with the way Elias rode as he was dangerous, overtaking inside and then changing his line. Must admit, good to watch but I thought Elias was taking the p*ss once or twice.


Thought the Elias moves were OK, agressive but fair, nothing Rossi would not do on a better day. On the worst one he did apologise with a little flick of the boot, good racing though all the way through the new tyre regs seem to be a good thing...


Dry your eyes Rossi.
Elias riding was no more aggressive than the numerous moves he has put on other riders over the years.

FourWheelDrift

91,609 posts

305 months

Monday 23rd April 2007
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Testing times from today at Istanbul

1. Chris Vermeulen AUS Rizla Suzuki MotoGP (B) 1min 53.1 secs *
2. Alex Barros BRA Pramac d'Antin MotoGP (B) 1min 53.2 secs *
3. Toni Elias SPA Gresini Honda (B) 1min 53.3 secs
4. Casey Stoner AUS Ducati Marlboro Team (B) 1min 53.3 secs *
5. Marco Melandri ITA Gresini Honda (B) 1min 53.4 secs *
6. John Hopkins USA Rizla Suzuki MotoGP (B) 1min 53.5 secs
7. Loris Capirossi ITA Ducati Marlboro Team (B) 1min 53.6 secs *
8. Randy de Puniet FRA Kawasaki Racing Team (B) 1min 53.6 secs
9. Carlos Checa SPA Honda LCR (M) 1min 53.6 secs *
10. Nicky Hayden USA Repsol Honda Team (M) 1min 53.8 secs
11. Kenny Roberts USA Team Roberts (M) 1min 53.9 secs
12. Valentino Rossi ITA Fiat Yamaha Team (M) 1min 54.0 secs
13. Alex Hofmann GER Pramac d'Antin MotoGP (B) 1min 54.2 secs
14. Sylvain Guintoli FRA Dunlop Tech 3 Yamaha (D) 1min 54.5 secs

* = Qualifying tyre