Stoner vs. Gardner vs. Doohan - debut stats.
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Interesting piece on the 3 Aussies.
I'm sure the quality of the bikes counts too but still when you consider the other two Stoner is performing very well anyway.
Victory last time out in Turkey has moved Casey Stoner back to the top of the MotoGP World Championship standings, after the opening three rounds of the 2007 season.
It is interesting to compare Stoner's performance, after having now started 19 premier-class races, to the two previous Australian premier-class world champions Mick Doohan and Wayne Gardner.
Unlike Stoner, both of former champions went straight to racing in the premier-class without graduating through the smaller GP classes. However both had a considerable amount of experience racing Superbikes and, in the case of Gardner, the 500cc two-stroke in British National Championship. In addition both were a few years older than 21-year-old Stoner when making their premier-class debut, at the age of 23.
The following table compares the performances of the two 500cc world champions in their first 19 races against what Stoner has achieved so far.
It can be seen that neither 1987 champion Gardner nor five-times champion Doohan won during the first 19 races of their premier-class career; Gardner won on his 20th start and Doohan on his 26th. However, Stoner has been less consistent, having crashed six times and taken less podiums than his predecessors.
In terms of the total points scored in the 19 races (with points adjusted to the current system) Stoner has scored exactly the same number as Gardner, with Doohan just slightly less.
The figures indicate that, at this early point in his MotoGP career, Stoner is a match for the two former champions, but the final measure will be finding the consistency to go on and take the world title.
Results after first 19 races in premier-class:
Stoner: 2 (wins) 1st (best finish) 3 (podiums) 1 (poles) 6 (falls) 180 (points)
Gardner: 0 (wins) 2nd (best finish) 6 (podiums) 0 (poles) 1 (falls) 180 (points)
Doohan: 0 (wins) 2nd (best finish) 4 (podiums) 1 (poles) 3 (falls) 164 (points)
I'm sure the quality of the bikes counts too but still when you consider the other two Stoner is performing very well anyway.
Crash.net said:
Victory last time out in Turkey has moved Casey Stoner back to the top of the MotoGP World Championship standings, after the opening three rounds of the 2007 season.
It is interesting to compare Stoner's performance, after having now started 19 premier-class races, to the two previous Australian premier-class world champions Mick Doohan and Wayne Gardner.
Unlike Stoner, both of former champions went straight to racing in the premier-class without graduating through the smaller GP classes. However both had a considerable amount of experience racing Superbikes and, in the case of Gardner, the 500cc two-stroke in British National Championship. In addition both were a few years older than 21-year-old Stoner when making their premier-class debut, at the age of 23.
The following table compares the performances of the two 500cc world champions in their first 19 races against what Stoner has achieved so far.
It can be seen that neither 1987 champion Gardner nor five-times champion Doohan won during the first 19 races of their premier-class career; Gardner won on his 20th start and Doohan on his 26th. However, Stoner has been less consistent, having crashed six times and taken less podiums than his predecessors.
In terms of the total points scored in the 19 races (with points adjusted to the current system) Stoner has scored exactly the same number as Gardner, with Doohan just slightly less.
The figures indicate that, at this early point in his MotoGP career, Stoner is a match for the two former champions, but the final measure will be finding the consistency to go on and take the world title.
Results after first 19 races in premier-class:
Stoner: 2 (wins) 1st (best finish) 3 (podiums) 1 (poles) 6 (falls) 180 (points)
Gardner: 0 (wins) 2nd (best finish) 6 (podiums) 0 (poles) 1 (falls) 180 (points)
Doohan: 0 (wins) 2nd (best finish) 4 (podiums) 1 (poles) 3 (falls) 164 (points)
Edited by FourWheelDrift on Thursday 3rd May 16:13
FourWheelDrift said:
Interesting piece on the 3 Aussies.
I'm sure the quality of the bikes counts too but still when you consider the other two Stoner is performing very well anyway.
Victory last time out in Turkey has moved Casey Stoner back to the top of the MotoGP World Championship standings, after the opening three rounds of the 2007 season.
It is interesting to compare Stoner's performance, after having now started 19 premier-class races, to the two previous Australian premier-class world champions Mick Doohan and Wayne Gardner.
Unlike Stoner, both of former champions went straight to racing in the premier-class without graduating through the smaller GP classes. However both had a considerable amount of experience racing Superbikes and, in the case of Gardner, the 500cc two-stroke in British National Championship. In addition both were a few years older than 21-year-old Stoner when making their premier-class debut, at the age of 23.
The following table compares the performances of the two 500cc world champions in their first 19 races against what Stoner has achieved so far.
It can be seen that neither 1987 champion Gardner nor five-times champion Doohan won during the first 19 races of their premier-class career; Gardner won on his 20th start and Doohan on his 26th. However, Stoner has been less consistent, having crashed six times and taken less podiums than his predecessors.
In terms of the total points scored in the 19 races (with points adjusted to the current system) Stoner has scored exactly the same number as Gardner, with Doohan just slightly less.
The figures indicate that, at this early point in his MotoGP career, Stoner is a match for the two former champions, but the final measure will be finding the consistency to go on and take the world title.
Results after first 19 races in premier-class:
Stoner: 2 (wins) 1st (best finish) 3 (podiums) 1 (poles) 6 (falls) 180 (points)
Gardner: 0 (wins) 2nd (best finish) 6 (podiums) 0 (poles) 1 (falls) 180 (points)
Doohan: 0 (wins) 2nd (best finish) 4 (podiums) 1 (poles) 3 (falls) 164 (points)
I'm sure the quality of the bikes counts too but still when you consider the other two Stoner is performing very well anyway.
Crash.net said:
Victory last time out in Turkey has moved Casey Stoner back to the top of the MotoGP World Championship standings, after the opening three rounds of the 2007 season.
It is interesting to compare Stoner's performance, after having now started 19 premier-class races, to the two previous Australian premier-class world champions Mick Doohan and Wayne Gardner.
Unlike Stoner, both of former champions went straight to racing in the premier-class without graduating through the smaller GP classes. However both had a considerable amount of experience racing Superbikes and, in the case of Gardner, the 500cc two-stroke in British National Championship. In addition both were a few years older than 21-year-old Stoner when making their premier-class debut, at the age of 23.
The following table compares the performances of the two 500cc world champions in their first 19 races against what Stoner has achieved so far.
It can be seen that neither 1987 champion Gardner nor five-times champion Doohan won during the first 19 races of their premier-class career; Gardner won on his 20th start and Doohan on his 26th. However, Stoner has been less consistent, having crashed six times and taken less podiums than his predecessors.
In terms of the total points scored in the 19 races (with points adjusted to the current system) Stoner has scored exactly the same number as Gardner, with Doohan just slightly less.
The figures indicate that, at this early point in his MotoGP career, Stoner is a match for the two former champions, but the final measure will be finding the consistency to go on and take the world title.
Results after first 19 races in premier-class:
Stoner: 2 (wins) 1st (best finish) 3 (podiums) 1 (poles) 6 (falls) 180 (points)
Gardner: 0 (wins) 2nd (best finish) 6 (podiums) 0 (poles) 1 (falls) 180 (points)
Doohan: 0 (wins) 2nd (best finish) 4 (podiums) 1 (poles) 3 (falls) 164 (points)
Edited by FourWheelDrift on Thursday 3rd May 16:13
Maybe so but i would never underestimate the skill and talent that was needed to master those 500cc 2-stroke bikes..
I like Stoner for the simple reason that I always seem to favour the underdog. It might just be my perception but I've always viewed Stoner hand-in-hand with Pedrosa, with Pedrosa being the golden boy of favour and Stoner just soldiering on in his shadow.
I really, really want to see him do well. I think he's just as (if not more) interesting as Rossi to watch with a style that stinks of speed.
Either way, it's great entertainment.
I really, really want to see him do well. I think he's just as (if not more) interesting as Rossi to watch with a style that stinks of speed.
Either way, it's great entertainment.
I thought he was a bit of a Rueben Xaus rider, trying very hard, riding very fast but often losing the front and falling off. But maybe that was just him hitting puberty last year effecting his hormones. Now he's turned 14 he seems a much better rider, still fast and lairy but keeping it on the track more. He's been impeccable in the races, only bad start at Jerez but he was still quick throughout the rest of the race.
yes I know he's not 14........he's at least 16
Edited by FourWheelDrift on Thursday 3rd May 21:43
Fire99 said:
FourWheelDrift said:
Interesting piece on the 3 Aussies.
I'm sure the quality of the bikes counts too but still when you consider the other two Stoner is performing very well anyway.
Victory last time out in Turkey has moved Casey Stoner back to the top of the MotoGP World Championship standings, after the opening three rounds of the 2007 season.
It is interesting to compare Stoner's performance, after having now started 19 premier-class races, to the two previous Australian premier-class world champions Mick Doohan and Wayne Gardner.
Unlike Stoner, both of former champions went straight to racing in the premier-class without
graduating through the smaller GP classes. However both had a considerable amount of experience racing Superbikes and, in the case of Gardner, the 500cc two-stroke in British National Championship. In addition both were a few years older than 21-year-old Stoner when making their premier-class debut, at the age of 23.
The following table compares the performances of the two 500cc world champions in their first 19 races against what Stoner has achieved so far.
It can be seen that neither 1987 champion Gardner nor five-times champion Doohan won during the first 19 races of their premier-class career; Gardner won on his 20th start and Doohan on his 26th. However, Stoner has been less consistent, having crashed six times and taken less podiums than his predecessors.
In terms of the total points scored in the 19 races (with points adjusted to the current system) Stoner has scored exactly the same number as Gardner, with Doohan just slightly less.
The figures indicate that, at this early point in his MotoGP career, Stoner is a match for the two former champions, but the final measure will be finding the consistency to go on and take the world title.
Results after first 19 races in premier-class:
Stoner: 2 (wins) 1st (best finish) 3 (podiums) 1 (poles) 6 (falls) 180 (points)
Gardner: 0 (wins) 2nd (best finish) 6 (podiums) 0 (poles) 1 (falls) 180 (points)
Doohan: 0 (wins) 2nd (best finish) 4 (podiums) 1 (poles) 3 (falls) 164 (points)
I'm sure the quality of the bikes counts too but still when you consider the other two Stoner is performing very well anyway.
Crash.net said:
Victory last time out in Turkey has moved Casey Stoner back to the top of the MotoGP World Championship standings, after the opening three rounds of the 2007 season.
It is interesting to compare Stoner's performance, after having now started 19 premier-class races, to the two previous Australian premier-class world champions Mick Doohan and Wayne Gardner.
Unlike Stoner, both of former champions went straight to racing in the premier-class without
graduating through the smaller GP classes. However both had a considerable amount of experience racing Superbikes and, in the case of Gardner, the 500cc two-stroke in British National Championship. In addition both were a few years older than 21-year-old Stoner when making their premier-class debut, at the age of 23.
The following table compares the performances of the two 500cc world champions in their first 19 races against what Stoner has achieved so far.
It can be seen that neither 1987 champion Gardner nor five-times champion Doohan won during the first 19 races of their premier-class career; Gardner won on his 20th start and Doohan on his 26th. However, Stoner has been less consistent, having crashed six times and taken less podiums than his predecessors.
In terms of the total points scored in the 19 races (with points adjusted to the current system) Stoner has scored exactly the same number as Gardner, with Doohan just slightly less.
The figures indicate that, at this early point in his MotoGP career, Stoner is a match for the two former champions, but the final measure will be finding the consistency to go on and take the world title.
Results after first 19 races in premier-class:
Stoner: 2 (wins) 1st (best finish) 3 (podiums) 1 (poles) 6 (falls) 180 (points)
Gardner: 0 (wins) 2nd (best finish) 6 (podiums) 0 (poles) 1 (falls) 180 (points)
Doohan: 0 (wins) 2nd (best finish) 4 (podiums) 1 (poles) 3 (falls) 164 (points)
Edited by FourWheelDrift on Thursday 3rd May 16:13
Maybe so but i would never underestimate the skill and talent that was needed to master those 500cc 2-stroke bikes..
I agree with four wheel drift, 2 strokes where the bikes to master, Doohan and Gardner are the teachers!
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