Michelin 2CT de-laminated at 185mph
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I have just returned from a weekend at the Sachsenring watching the MotoGP and thought I would share my adventure.
On the Saturday, approaching Jena, our hotel destination, after sustained top end runs (185mph on the clock with revs still climbing in 34° heat), the bike developed a vibration and refused to turn in. We pulled off at the silp road at Jena and my friend passed me and pointed at the rear tyre. We all stopped and inspected the rear; the root cause of the puncture being slashed by some sharp object.
I managed to repair the rear with some tyre weld and considered a new rear tyre on the Monday when the garages opened again. On walking past the bike on the way back to his, my friend noticed a 3 x 2" piece of tyre missing from the front!!! I had to put everything down and walk away, I spent a good few minutes in silence contemplating what I had just done at some ridiculous speeds. It certainly explained the vibration.
We drove the bike one mile, very slowly to the hotel and parked it up. German pretty much shuts on a Sunday so it was left there and I took a pillion ride on the back of my friend's GSXR1000. The race was great, as was the weather (we got full paddock passes too).
On the Monday morning, I rang my insurance European recovery and they transported the bike to the local Honda dealer. We waited for four hours before a set of Pirelli Diablos (not Corsas) arrived. I called Michelin who insisted that I leave the tyres there marked up and ready for collection so that a full inspection could be undertaken. We eventually got going at 2pm and had to make up good time to get back to Calais for our train home.
700 miles in 9 hours, door to door on a CBR1000RR. I am shattered today, but what a weekend!!
I have photos of the front tyre that I will post here when my friend gets them off his camera. I had applied for the tyre to be recalled and in doing so they suggested the bike was ok to ride until they managed to sort the stocking problem out.
I would suggest that if anyone here is using 2CTs that are awaiting replacement not to use them in anger, if at all. I was lucky not to have sustained injury or worse.
I will be contacting Michelin to try and find a way forward. I will keep you posted.
On the Saturday, approaching Jena, our hotel destination, after sustained top end runs (185mph on the clock with revs still climbing in 34° heat), the bike developed a vibration and refused to turn in. We pulled off at the silp road at Jena and my friend passed me and pointed at the rear tyre. We all stopped and inspected the rear; the root cause of the puncture being slashed by some sharp object.
I managed to repair the rear with some tyre weld and considered a new rear tyre on the Monday when the garages opened again. On walking past the bike on the way back to his, my friend noticed a 3 x 2" piece of tyre missing from the front!!! I had to put everything down and walk away, I spent a good few minutes in silence contemplating what I had just done at some ridiculous speeds. It certainly explained the vibration.
We drove the bike one mile, very slowly to the hotel and parked it up. German pretty much shuts on a Sunday so it was left there and I took a pillion ride on the back of my friend's GSXR1000. The race was great, as was the weather (we got full paddock passes too).
On the Monday morning, I rang my insurance European recovery and they transported the bike to the local Honda dealer. We waited for four hours before a set of Pirelli Diablos (not Corsas) arrived. I called Michelin who insisted that I leave the tyres there marked up and ready for collection so that a full inspection could be undertaken. We eventually got going at 2pm and had to make up good time to get back to Calais for our train home.
700 miles in 9 hours, door to door on a CBR1000RR. I am shattered today, but what a weekend!!
I have photos of the front tyre that I will post here when my friend gets them off his camera. I had applied for the tyre to be recalled and in doing so they suggested the bike was ok to ride until they managed to sort the stocking problem out.
I would suggest that if anyone here is using 2CTs that are awaiting replacement not to use them in anger, if at all. I was lucky not to have sustained injury or worse.
I will be contacting Michelin to try and find a way forward. I will keep you posted.
veetwin said:
I have photos of the front tyre that I will post here when my friend gets them off his camera. I had applied for the tyre to be recalled and in doing so they suggested the bike was ok to ride until they managed to sort the stocking problem out.
I would suggest that if anyone here is using 2CTs that are awaiting replacement not to use them in anger, if at all. I was lucky not to have sustained injury or worse.
The advice from Michelin that I had was initially that they were ok to do 70mph on and no more and no track days and later on this became not ok to use at all. I didn't receive any advice that they were ok to use above 70mph at any point and I called them on the first day of the recall. If you did get advice that they were ok to use above 70mph then you got advice that didn't follow the official line.I would suggest that if anyone here is using 2CTs that are awaiting replacement not to use them in anger, if at all. I was lucky not to have sustained injury or worse.
Glad you're ok.
Mark
Yes I am aware of the recall.
Nothing about speed here:
http://www.michelin.co.uk/uk/front/affich.jsp?&...
I wasn't advised by staff either.
Nothing about speed here:
http://www.michelin.co.uk/uk/front/affich.jsp?&...
I wasn't advised by staff either.
veetwin said:
Yes I am aware of the recall.
Nothing about speed here:
http://www.michelin.co.uk/uk/front/affich.jsp?&...
I wasn't advised by staff either.
ALL the contacts i have had with them have stressed VERY clearly how serious it is and told me not to ride it unless i really had to and then to keep below 60/70mph and deffo no trackdaysNothing about speed here:
http://www.michelin.co.uk/uk/front/affich.jsp?&...
I wasn't advised by staff either.
im glad you didnt have a proper failure at 180+
Coincidentally a lady from michelin just phoned me asking where I'd like my new front tyre delivering even though I'd already had my replacement fitted.
I like France and rather like the French but I'm coming to the conclusion that running a tyre company is another thing (like running car companies) that the French can't do properly. Shame really because apart from them potentially exploding I quite like these tyres.
I like France and rather like the French but I'm coming to the conclusion that running a tyre company is another thing (like running car companies) that the French can't do properly. Shame really because apart from them potentially exploding I quite like these tyres.
With the kowledge that the front 2CT's were being recalled I don't think I would have taken a trip to Germany on a potentially defective tyre and especially on unrestricted autobahns at warp factor nine......but we all take chances & risks, and I'm glad to hear you came away unscathed...
Incidentally of all the conversations I had with Michelin (six in total) I was categorically told not to use the bike if possible and if it had to be used to stay within the speed limits regardless....obviously one strayed a little but the tyre was ok.......I had mine changed two weeks a go now and have already had a nail go through the new tyre
Incidentally of all the conversations I had with Michelin (six in total) I was categorically told not to use the bike if possible and if it had to be used to stay within the speed limits regardless....obviously one strayed a little but the tyre was ok.......I had mine changed two weeks a go now and have already had a nail go through the new tyre
I thought about this before going over to Germany. After my conversation with the girl at the call centre, there was no reason why I should not have gone. According to Michelin there is nothing to worry about.
On these grounds alone I thought that I would continue with the tyre as it had already covered 2000 miles with no issue. I expect a front tyre to last a minimum of 4000 miles so went with the decision to use the existing one.
Anyway, hindsight is a beautiful thing. My point is not 'why did it happen' more as to share what has happened in case anyone else decides to continue to use their existing tyres.
On these grounds alone I thought that I would continue with the tyre as it had already covered 2000 miles with no issue. I expect a front tyre to last a minimum of 4000 miles so went with the decision to use the existing one.
Anyway, hindsight is a beautiful thing. My point is not 'why did it happen' more as to share what has happened in case anyone else decides to continue to use their existing tyres.
veetwin said:
I thought about this before going over to Germany. After my conversation with the girl at the call centre, there was no reason why I should not have gone. According to Michelin there is nothing to worry about.
On these grounds alone I thought that I would continue with the tyre as it had already covered 2000 miles with no issue. I expect a front tyre to last a minimum of 4000 miles so went with the decision to use the existing one.
Anyway, hindsight is a beautiful thing. My point is not 'why did it happen' more as to share what has happened in case anyone else decides to continue to use their existing tyres.
got ya!! On these grounds alone I thought that I would continue with the tyre as it had already covered 2000 miles with no issue. I expect a front tyre to last a minimum of 4000 miles so went with the decision to use the existing one.
Anyway, hindsight is a beautiful thing. My point is not 'why did it happen' more as to share what has happened in case anyone else decides to continue to use their existing tyres.
thanks for the warning ,mine is still sat on the effected tire as ive yet to recieve a replacement
...i wont be risking iti look forward to seeing your pics of it
will you go back to using 2CTs again after all the defective tires have been recalled?, i personally loved them on my bike and will use them when i get my replacement.
by the way if we have to guess about which 2 premium class riders are gay, i would say 1 would most likely be, Pedrosa-Alberto Puig seems to be hovering around even more than you would expect.
by the way if we have to guess about which 2 premium class riders are gay, i would say 1 would most likely be, Pedrosa-Alberto Puig seems to be hovering around even more than you would expect.
Chilli said:
Bloody hell, glad you're ok. Christ, doesn't bear thinking about eh?
Michelin never told me anything about speed...just said don't use it. I/we still melted them at Snetts, no issues. You just never know.
Glad you had a good weekend though, sounded like a grin.
How they wore for you versus veetwin might just be the different usage pattern - he would be sustaining a far higher average speed than you. Michelin never told me anything about speed...just said don't use it. I/we still melted them at Snetts, no issues. You just never know.
Glad you had a good weekend though, sounded like a grin.
I would use 2CTs again if they get it right.
I have been an advocate of this rubber since the introduction of the model.
Great grip at extreme lean and a good wear rate for what is, essentially, a track orientated tyre.
I have used them for touring, track work at Silverstone and Donington, and general road riding use. They excel in all areas.
I have been an advocate of this rubber since the introduction of the model.
Great grip at extreme lean and a good wear rate for what is, essentially, a track orientated tyre.
I have used them for touring, track work at Silverstone and Donington, and general road riding use. They excel in all areas.
thanks for the info, glad you didn't come a cropper! Could you do us all a big favour and write down the complete DOT code and country of manufacture and post it on here......just to check that your tyre is one of the ones being recalled and that the problem is limited to those tyres only!
A nice lady at Michelin told me not to ride above the UK speed limits, which I thought was stating the obvious, I mean who would do such a thing anyway.
It seems the tread is coming detached, which would be bad if you needed the grip, but no reports of air loss so far.
shane
A nice lady at Michelin told me not to ride above the UK speed limits, which I thought was stating the obvious, I mean who would do such a thing anyway.
It seems the tread is coming detached, which would be bad if you needed the grip, but no reports of air loss so far.
shane
veetwin said:
Just to clarify, I had no air loss whatsoever, the tyre was stripped of a section of rubber around 3" x 2". The carcass below then started to come apart.
I imagine a small stone would have done the trick though.
I had an 0506 date code and DOT 6UCW 980T serial number.
same DOT and serial as mine except mt date is 3506I imagine a small stone would have done the trick though.
I had an 0506 date code and DOT 6UCW 980T serial number.
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