Motorcycle security
Discussion
To be honest, the £50 here or there that you might save on insurance after you have paid about £200 for the kit isn't worth it.
My advice is don't show your bike off outside the front of your house and leave and arrive as swiftly and quietly as possible as to not draw any attention to the fact that you have a decent pair of wheels on the premises. Stick it in the garage with the immobiliser on and chained to the ground with an alarm on your garage or shed linked to the police and the FBI... sorry, going off on one!
I think when you are out and about leave your bike in a clear public areas around lots of other bikes with a good chain and a disk lock.
Good luck, the thieving gits
are out there, just be wiser than they are.
Mark.
My advice is don't show your bike off outside the front of your house and leave and arrive as swiftly and quietly as possible as to not draw any attention to the fact that you have a decent pair of wheels on the premises. Stick it in the garage with the immobiliser on and chained to the ground with an alarm on your garage or shed linked to the police and the FBI... sorry, going off on one!
I think when you are out and about leave your bike in a clear public areas around lots of other bikes with a good chain and a disk lock.
Good luck, the thieving gits
are out there, just be wiser than they are.Mark.
If they want it they will have it.As has been said above mcn bolt cropped chains that were supposed to survive at least 5 minutes of attack in 20 seconds.I watched a program where they got a van and two blokes and just dragged bikes off the road in a busy town and into the back of it with the alarms going off as an experiment to see what the public did.Not one person stopped them or called the police.
Even if you did use a ground anchor would your neighbours be about while your out if the thieves went in with a disc cutter,in fact if they were in would they ignore the two minutes of noise like most people and think your doing some diy.One good bit of advise is as said above do not leave it outside on show.I do use a cheap chain and lock through the back wheel and a cheap disc lock(all in about £60) but i would not spend more than that as its a waste of time in my eyes.I also have a cat 1 alarm which i beleive is the best bet.
Even if you did use a ground anchor would your neighbours be about while your out if the thieves went in with a disc cutter,in fact if they were in would they ignore the two minutes of noise like most people and think your doing some diy.One good bit of advise is as said above do not leave it outside on show.I do use a cheap chain and lock through the back wheel and a cheap disc lock(all in about £60) but i would not spend more than that as its a waste of time in my eyes.I also have a cat 1 alarm which i beleive is the best bet.
Once there in your garage/whatever, no matter what you've done to the bike regards security,9 times out of 10 your screwed, as happened to me a few years back.
What you need is really good security on your garage/shed door,a door defender or similar.Something with an internal pad lock or locking device. I had a proper "motorcycle spec" garage door security shackle (not some sliding bolt with a weeny padlock)but they still got thru the external padlock.It wasnt a cheap lock either...
Concentrate on the outer building first, then tackle the security of the bike inside it.
Obviously if your talking about out on the street your talking a decent chain and padlock(have a look at RiDE magazines recommened products as they do some hardcore testing on these locks)
From what ive seen, a well known Thatcham approved product doesnt always offer the best in security.
I installed an alarm mine in my garage after the theft, I understand these are illegal now or may have been back in the mid 90's but the thought of a trip wire connected to a blank, or live, your choice..shotgun cartridge made me at peace with myself..
Just had to remember you'd installed it when you came to getting the bike out!
What you need is really good security on your garage/shed door,a door defender or similar.Something with an internal pad lock or locking device. I had a proper "motorcycle spec" garage door security shackle (not some sliding bolt with a weeny padlock)but they still got thru the external padlock.It wasnt a cheap lock either...
Concentrate on the outer building first, then tackle the security of the bike inside it.
Obviously if your talking about out on the street your talking a decent chain and padlock(have a look at RiDE magazines recommened products as they do some hardcore testing on these locks)
From what ive seen, a well known Thatcham approved product doesnt always offer the best in security.
I installed an alarm mine in my garage after the theft, I understand these are illegal now or may have been back in the mid 90's but the thought of a trip wire connected to a blank, or live, your choice..shotgun cartridge made me at peace with myself..
Just had to remember you'd installed it when you came to getting the bike out!
podman said:
Concentrate on the outer building first, then tackle the security of the bike inside it.
Good point.I lost a bike - They broke into the garage by removing a few roof tiles then dropped down and opened the garage from the inside - removing the door bolts with my own tools!
Having replaced the stolen bike with a new one, the cheeky
s returned within 2 weeks to steal that one - luckily i spent some time fitting 1" plywood underneath the roof tiles, it cost very little and was worth every penny, as i woke up to find 4 roof tiles on the floor but they couldn't get past the plywood and gave up... 8 years later & i've not lost one bike.Xena disc lock - has an alarm built in which is much lounder than most alarm/imobiliser systems.
There are also trackers for bikes now.
The best thing I ever bought though was a bikesafe - basically a heavy duty metal container. If they can get into that, they're welcome to it.
Luckily, never had any of mine nicked.
The above is NOT a challenge btw
There are also trackers for bikes now.
The best thing I ever bought though was a bikesafe - basically a heavy duty metal container. If they can get into that, they're welcome to it.
Luckily, never had any of mine nicked.
The above is NOT a challenge btw
Sheppard000 said:
Hi
what are the upper market bike security chains
By far and away one of the best chains is an Almax......what are the upper market bike security chains
http://www.almax-security-chains.co.uk/
I'd echo that, ad add that it really is not worth going for a cheap chain. I stuck a cheap Oxford on one of my bikes, and I think the local rat-boy actually bit through it.
A disc-lock is a decent thing to have, too. A proper one with a locking pin takes a bit of work to remove, so if you are going shopping in town or something, can make the difference. A huge, good, chain is reat, but weighs a tonne, so may not be best for when you are popping out.
A disc-lock is a decent thing to have, too. A proper one with a locking pin takes a bit of work to remove, so if you are going shopping in town or something, can make the difference. A huge, good, chain is reat, but weighs a tonne, so may not be best for when you are popping out.
IforB said:
Alarms and immobilisers on bikes are more of a pain than anything else. A total waste of time.
A ground anchor, chuffing big chain and lock and a pi**ed of hungry rottweiler attached to the bike are the only things to keep away scum.
Apologies fr the sh!t typing, but I'm with IforB...alarms are a pain in the arse. Big old chain, coupled with a rottwielerl (sp) and ecectrodes on the nads.......bed time....A ground anchor, chuffing big chain and lock and a pi**ed of hungry rottweiler attached to the bike are the only things to keep away scum.
I disagree re. alarms/ immobilisers. Although many bikes now have electronic keys etc so the bike can't be started by the screwdriver merchants, you are still up against such scum who don't realise or will chance their arm anyway. If an alarm chases them off it's a goood thing even if the damage is done. If an immobiliser adds an extra layer of aggro to bikes with simpler systems it might be the difference between catching the scum and giving them a shoeing or listening to your bike disappear down the street... ask my bro.
Most systems now let you add a pager so if you're in the pub, or the garage is away from the house, you can still be alerted to the alarm being triggered.
I don't, however, think it's worth paying for the so-called privilege of 'approved installer' fitment; I've seen some sh!te jobs perpetrated on cars AND bikes by alleged experts.
Buy a reputable system and bung someone with CSE electronics a few bob for the fitting, if you can't figure out a few simple connections yourself.
And buy a big chain
Most systems now let you add a pager so if you're in the pub, or the garage is away from the house, you can still be alerted to the alarm being triggered.
I don't, however, think it's worth paying for the so-called privilege of 'approved installer' fitment; I've seen some sh!te jobs perpetrated on cars AND bikes by alleged experts.
Buy a reputable system and bung someone with CSE electronics a few bob for the fitting, if you can't figure out a few simple connections yourself.
And buy a big chain
IforB said:
Alarms and immobilisers on bikes are more of a pain than anything else. A total waste of time.
A ground anchor(check), chuffing big chain and lock (check)and a pi**ed of hungry rottweiler (actually a very old pussy cat...)
I've no time at all for alarms or immobilisers - cause nowt but trouble. The first rally I went to (Farmyard Party, 2002), I ended up pushing the b&stard bike out to the gate to the recovery truck 'cos the immobiliser threw a wobbly... not cool... Even when it was working, it didn't work; wasting valuble riding time trying to push buttons in the correct way... With a big fook off chain and ground anchor it's easier and quicker to release your steed.... (And who out there pays any attention to something that beeps while it's being pushed away? With a ground anchor they can't take it away.. ) A ground anchor(check), chuffing big chain and lock (check)and a pi**ed of hungry rottweiler (actually a very old pussy cat...)
Anyway, if the b&stards try, my cat'll have them....
Schmeeky said:
IforB said:
Alarms and immobilisers on bikes are more of a pain than anything else. A total waste of time.
A ground anchor(check), chuffing big chain and lock (check)and a pi**ed of hungry rottweiler (actually a very old pussy cat...)
I've no time at all for alarms or immobilisers - cause nowt but trouble. The first rally I went to (Farmyard Party, 2002), I ended up pushing the b&stard bike out to the gate to the recovery truck 'cos the immobiliser threw a wobbly... not cool... Even when it was working, it didn't work; wasting valuble riding time trying to push buttons in the correct way... With a big fook off chain and ground anchor it's easier and quicker to release your steed.... (And who out there pays any attention to something that beeps while it's being pushed away? With a ground anchor they can't take it away.. ) A ground anchor(check), chuffing big chain and lock (check)and a pi**ed of hungry rottweiler (actually a very old pussy cat...)
Anyway, if the b&stards try, my cat'll have them....
Wedg1e said:
Schmeeky said:
IforB said:
Alarms and immobilisers on bikes are more of a pain than anything else. A total waste of time.
A ground anchor(check), chuffing big chain and lock (check)and a pi**ed of hungry rottweiler (actually a very old pussy cat...)
I've no time at all for alarms or immobilisers - cause nowt but trouble. The first rally I went to (Farmyard Party, 2002), I ended up pushing the b&stard bike out to the gate to the recovery truck 'cos the immobiliser threw a wobbly... not cool... Even when it was working, it didn't work; wasting valuble riding time trying to push buttons in the correct way... With a big fook off chain and ground anchor it's easier and quicker to release your steed.... (And who out there pays any attention to something that beeps while it's being pushed away? With a ground anchor they can't take it away.. ) A ground anchor(check), chuffing big chain and lock (check)and a pi**ed of hungry rottweiler (actually a very old pussy cat...)
Anyway, if the b&stards try, my cat'll have them....
I had to tidy up the wiring on my Datatool alarm after its 'professional' installation.
308mate said:
Affected a lot of U locks as well....I think Oxford Products locks where most affected and they had to with draw a lot of products...this all kicked off a few years back.One tip mentioned in MCN a few years ago was to fit a baby monitor in the garage. The idea being that you will hear anyone breaking in before they actually get in and can take "appropriate" action (call Police, go outside with a baseball bat and so on). All the ex-cons they spoke to admitted that this was the one device that would stop them in their tracks. They have no way of knowing if they have been rumbled by the time they get in, and the pro's reckoned they would leave post haste on seeing one of those. They wouldn't want to risk hanging about and getting into a confrontation with the BiB or a deeply pi**ed off bike owner. I've fitted one and it does work well, I can hear anything that happens in my garage from the comfort of my bedroom. They are very sensitive though - in my last house my garage was next to a main road and I would hear the traffic all night through the monitor, so it was unusable. Excellent in a quiet area though. They also can't be disabled by the thief - if the power or signal from the "baby" unit is disturbed it sets an alarm off on the "parents" unit.
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