I know it's not quite a 'bike', but need some immob help!
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Hi all,
My brother has a Peugeot Speedfight scooter, and the steering lock won't come undone. It'll start by kick start, but not by electric start.
The immobiliser light isn't one (but the manual does say it goes out after 48hrs of no use, which it hasnt been used in about 4 days).
What I think (because his bike is never able to start from electric start (but normally gets a little bit of a try from it), is that the battery has finally given up, and the immobiliser now will not allow the bike to unlock the steering lock.
Would this make sense? I.e. We'd need to get a new battery for it, connect it up and it'll just unlock, as there'll be power there then for the key transponder to connect with the bike and unlock the steering lock?
My brother has a Peugeot Speedfight scooter, and the steering lock won't come undone. It'll start by kick start, but not by electric start.
The immobiliser light isn't one (but the manual does say it goes out after 48hrs of no use, which it hasnt been used in about 4 days).
What I think (because his bike is never able to start from electric start (but normally gets a little bit of a try from it), is that the battery has finally given up, and the immobiliser now will not allow the bike to unlock the steering lock.
Would this make sense? I.e. We'd need to get a new battery for it, connect it up and it'll just unlock, as there'll be power there then for the key transponder to connect with the bike and unlock the steering lock?
I am no expert but I believe the steering lock mechanism on most bikes and scooters is mechanical and is activated via the ignition barrel. The immobiliser however is wired through the ignition, the symptom you are suggesting sounds like the starter motor is not turning the motor over properly, this may well be down to a duff battery, but if you cant turn the key to the ignition II position then the electric start wont work anyway, if you can turn the key to position II but the lock is still in place you have an issue in the steering lock. If you are kicking the bike over I would suggest the immobiliser is fine as it should prevent this is normal operation.
For the 2nd part of the problem...bike not starting on the starter motor check the battery as below
First stop for me would be to check the battery with a multi-meter, as your battery is 12v, test is with the ignition on and lights on for a few seconds (to remove surface charge), you should see pretty close to 12v for a fully charged battery, then start the bike on the kick and check voltage, you should see up to 14v if the alternator is working correctly, less than 12v across the poles indicates and issue. If all is OK you may have a fault starter motor, I would get this looked at sooner rather than later as kicking the cotter over all the tome will quickly wear the kickstart gear teeth.
Best of luck sorting it out.
For the 2nd part of the problem...bike not starting on the starter motor check the battery as below
First stop for me would be to check the battery with a multi-meter, as your battery is 12v, test is with the ignition on and lights on for a few seconds (to remove surface charge), you should see pretty close to 12v for a fully charged battery, then start the bike on the kick and check voltage, you should see up to 14v if the alternator is working correctly, less than 12v across the poles indicates and issue. If all is OK you may have a fault starter motor, I would get this looked at sooner rather than later as kicking the cotter over all the tome will quickly wear the kickstart gear teeth.
Best of luck sorting it out.
as far as im aware all imobilisers fitted to anything have to imobilise two circuts to be insurance approved. normally the starter & either spark or fuel pump will be disabled. so the fact it'll start off a kick means the imobiliser isnt armed.
as others have said as far as im aware the steering lock is normally mechanical. it sounds broke from here as ive never seen one where you can turn the ignition on without releasing the steering lock first.
as others have said as far as im aware the steering lock is normally mechanical. it sounds broke from here as ive never seen one where you can turn the ignition on without releasing the steering lock first.
Ok, so looks like the steering lock is stuffed then, as it'll start fine with a kick start.
Batteries are cheap enough for it though I presume, so we may aswell start by replacing that, as it has gradually stopped starting with electric start.
How would we go about getting the steering lock resolved though? Will be a bit hard getting it into the bike shop, as it can only go in circles at the moment! LOL
Batteries are cheap enough for it though I presume, so we may aswell start by replacing that, as it has gradually stopped starting with electric start.
How would we go about getting the steering lock resolved though? Will be a bit hard getting it into the bike shop, as it can only go in circles at the moment! LOL
If it'll kick start, it suggests that everything is working except the starter. The immobiliser would stop it from running, so if you can kick start it you can rule that out. The possibilities are the starter is not receiving enough juice to spin it over - dead/dying battery (worth changing if the battery is more than 3 years old) or a wiring fault - the connection to the starter if often exposed on two wheelers and may have corroded. Then working back up the chain you have the starter relay. If the starter has gradually failed, this suggests corrosion or a weak battery rather than failure of the relay. Make sure you search around to get a decent battery at a decent price. My experience of bike batteries is that they can be damned expensive for their size - often more than a car battery. Hopefully they won't be so bad for a scooter. If you can, get a voltmeter across the battery, and try to start the thing up. If the voltage takes a nose dive when you hit the starter button, there's your problem. You may also hear a buzzing from the starter relay, which again is caused by a weak battery.
Steve.
Steve.
Edited by Steve_T on Monday 22 October 20:22
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