Fuel Efficiency
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JackHolroyde

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490 posts

228 months

Thursday 29th November 2007
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Guys,
Any tips on increasing fuel efficiency in a CBR600F?
The bee-hatch is running 33mpg at the moment, I could get more out of a Lada!
I'm having the carbs balanced, taking off the race can and replacing it with a street legal piece.
I'm running hi-octane fuel.

And i'm ready for the 'roll off the throttle' or 'leave it at home' replies - it's not happening wink

randlemarcus

13,646 posts

261 months

Thursday 29th November 2007
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Simple answer, and one I employed on the 600F, the Mille, the Blade, and am currently using on the MV.

























Stop calculating the MPG, its a mugs game. Its empty, its filled up, it empties biggrin You know it makes sense....

podman

9,085 posts

270 months

Thursday 29th November 2007
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Why waste money on super dooper petrol for starters? 99% of standard bike engines dont need it- BMW's excepted.


catso

16,529 posts

297 months

Thursday 29th November 2007
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Can't imagine removing the race can would make much difference, if you lose some power by removing it you will probably just twist the throttle more to compensate, surely a correctly jetted free-flowing can is more efficient?

Best way is to give it less throttle or get a more economical bike, one of these maybe;



rolleyeshehe

Seriously though there are many bikes that give better mpg, my 916 does 45mpg if not thrashed too hard.

Steve_T

6,356 posts

302 months

Thursday 29th November 2007
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It's certainly possible that the race can might lose you a bit of fuel efficiency, but down to 26mpg - seems doubtful. My SV does about 45mpg commuting and the Falco maybe 33 - much more out of town for both. Unless you ride everywhere in 1st and 2nd, there has to be something wrong.

Steve.

rsv gone!

11,288 posts

271 months

Thursday 29th November 2007
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The fueling must be completely out. My R1 easily averages 40+mpg on the commute.

JackHolroyde

Original Poster:

490 posts

228 months

Thursday 29th November 2007
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Thats what i'm thinking - fuelling.
What can i do to sort it?
Its carbs, not FI.
I generally keep it at about 6-7000 revs, so not revving the nuts off it, but not ticking over either.

Hooli

32,278 posts

230 months

Thursday 29th November 2007
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my old RF600 used to do mid 30s mpg as well. i went up a tooth on the front sprocket & DIDNT knock it down an extra gear to get the performance back. ater that i got about 45mpg in regular use.

Steve_T

6,356 posts

302 months

Thursday 29th November 2007
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What's it like at idle? Is it ticking over at the right revs and is the idle smooth. Unless you've done north of 30k miles on it, it should be spot on.

black-k1

12,807 posts

259 months

Thursday 29th November 2007
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One of the things that has the biggest impact on fuel consumption is ‘how’ you use the throttle, especially on a CV carb’d bike. If you open the throttle past about 1 third open then you will start to use quite a lot more fuel as you start to use the main jets as well as the pilot jets. Make your acceleration gentle and controlled and concentrate on maintaining momentum and you will notice your fuel consumption improve.

JackHolroyde

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490 posts

228 months

Thursday 29th November 2007
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black-k1 said:
One of the things that has the biggest impact on fuel consumption is ‘how’ you use the throttle, especially on a CV carb’d bike. If you open the throttle past about 1 third open then you will start to use quite a lot more fuel as you start to use the main jets as well as the pilot jets. Make your acceleration gentle and controlled and concentrate on maintaining momentum and you will notice your fuel consumption improve.
Not really an option at the moment. I'd like to keep it at 5k revs, but theres a huge flatspot there at the moment. When I fit the road exhaust, this may clear up, so hopefully i'll be able to rev it less.

rsv gone!

11,288 posts

271 months

Thursday 29th November 2007
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JackHolroyde said:
Thats what i'm thinking - fuelling.
What can i do to sort it?
Its carbs, not FI.
I generally keep it at about 6-7000 revs, so not revving the nuts off it, but not ticking over either.
You say it has a replacement end can? Has it been dynojetted?

Does it run a bit rough, with no torque low down?

Get it into a decent independent dealer and get them to re-jet it.

JackHolroyde

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490 posts

228 months

Thursday 29th November 2007
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i'd rather replace the can tbh. Its too loud...

EDIT: I cant beleive i just said that!

Edited by JackHolroyde on Thursday 29th November 16:09

JackHolroyde

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490 posts

228 months

Thursday 29th November 2007
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cancel that. I'm having it serviced on Saturday before i go to the NEC, i've asked them to re-jet it while they're there.
How much on average would that cost if they're already balancing the carbs?

rsv gone!

11,288 posts

271 months

Thursday 29th November 2007
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JackHolroyde said:
i'd rather replace the can tbh. Its too loud...
Probably for the best.

Another indicator of poor fuelling is a very sooty exhaust pipe.

JackHolroyde

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490 posts

228 months

Thursday 29th November 2007
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rsv gone! said:
Another indicator of poor fuelling is a very sooty exhaust pipe.
That would be that. And black sparkies.
Rejet or new can... mmh....

AndyMX5

1,202 posts

266 months

Thursday 29th November 2007
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You may want to check compression.

For example, If you've got leaking exhaust valves, your fuel will be leaking out before it goes bang... This wastes fuel and because you're making less power, you twist more throttle to counter... meaning even more fuel is wasted.


black-k1

12,807 posts

259 months

Thursday 29th November 2007
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JackHolroyde said:
black-k1 said:
One of the things that has the biggest impact on fuel consumption is ‘how’ you use the throttle, especially on a CV carb’d bike. If you open the throttle past about 1 third open then you will start to use quite a lot more fuel as you start to use the main jets as well as the pilot jets. Make your acceleration gentle and controlled and concentrate on maintaining momentum and you will notice your fuel consumption improve.
Not really an option at the moment. I'd like to keep it at 5k revs, but theres a huge flatspot there at the moment. When I fit the road exhaust, this may clear up, so hopefully i'll be able to rev it less.
It’s not necessarily the number of revs that are important. An engine will burn the fuel it gets most efficiently at the point of peak torque. I would expect that on a 600/4 peak torque would likely be above 5000 rpm. The fuel consumption issues is how you get to the point of peak torque. If you only open the throttle slightly and ‘roll’ through the flat spot, then use the gears and forward planning rather than the throttle to maintain momentum then you will be going just as quick but much more efficiently, thus less fuel is used.

Steve_T

6,356 posts

302 months

Thursday 29th November 2007
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On a 600/4 the peak torque will be a lot higher than that, I'd anticipate 8-9k rpm, maybe a little more - it's 7500 rpm on my SV and that only revs out to 10.5k. A 600/4 that goes on to 12/13 k will peak higher again. The dead spot at 5k is possibly for manufacturer noise testing, it's there on the SV too and goes away with a can. A free flowing can can reduce the gas speed in the exhaust system at lower rpms if the bore is too big, which will cost torque as the cylinder filling is poorer. Standard exhaust systems on bikes are often very good and hard to improve upon, apart from on noise grounds.

Steve.


Edited by Steve_T on Thursday 29th November 17:38

Fats25

6,260 posts

259 months

Thursday 29th November 2007
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i have never bothered working out fuel efficiency in either a car or on a bike!

From memory it is 4.5 litres to the Gallon? If this is right - both my Bandit (with Pillion) and Gixer do 41 mpg. Bandit without pillion does 48!

Pretty good going I think - and no bikes are ridden frugally!

Edited by Fats25 on Thursday 29th November 17:34