Datatool Stealth
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Hi all
I'm having problems starting the bike. It has a Datatool Stealth on and is giving the symoptoms of a flat battery, yet all the lights work fine and brightly. Annoyingly my tester is with my work kit and I don't have a voltmeter here.
Is there a hard reset on these alarms or maybe it wont let you start until it sees a fully charged battery?
MOT tomorrow too, nothing like leaving it to the wire.
I JUST WANT TO RIDE THE THING!!!!
Dave!
I'm having problems starting the bike. It has a Datatool Stealth on and is giving the symoptoms of a flat battery, yet all the lights work fine and brightly. Annoyingly my tester is with my work kit and I don't have a voltmeter here.
Is there a hard reset on these alarms or maybe it wont let you start until it sees a fully charged battery?
MOT tomorrow too, nothing like leaving it to the wire.
I JUST WANT TO RIDE THE THING!!!!
Dave!
Howitzer said:
podman said:
You can conclude if its the alarm or not when you get a fully charged battery in it...try jumping it from a car(just make sure the car isnt running to avoid spiking the ECU)
Already tried, same click.Botherations!
Dave!
If you hear a repeated clicking as you try to start the engine the battery is not sufficiently charged. It's the starter relay closing and then reopening when the starter draws sufficient current that the battery voltage drops enough for the relay coil to de-energise and relay to open. The battery voltage then increases enough to close the relay and the cycle repeats. If you hear not even one click, it's something upstream of the starter relay preventing your bike from starting - like the immobiliser.
Aside: I loathe the datatool evo on the Falco, because it kills the battery in a matter of days in this poor weather. It's $hite. The meta on the SV means the battery is still in a good state after 3 weeks.
Steve.
Aside: I loathe the datatool evo on the Falco, because it kills the battery in a matter of days in this poor weather. It's $hite. The meta on the SV means the battery is still in a good state after 3 weeks.
Steve.
Right, i've now disconnected the battery completely and popped it on the charger, you can hear the charger humming louder, which is very odd.
I'll wait until it says the battery is fully charged and then try it again, it really does sound like a flat battery but the lights leadme to think otherwise, I hate bikes haha
I'm not too keen on the alarm either, The previous owner said if left for 2 weeks it killed the battery, apparently it has had quite a few batteries on it over the years because of this, unrecoverable.
Thanks for the advice guys, is much appreciated.
Dave!
I'll wait until it says the battery is fully charged and then try it again, it really does sound like a flat battery but the lights leadme to think otherwise, I hate bikes haha
I'm not too keen on the alarm either, The previous owner said if left for 2 weeks it killed the battery, apparently it has had quite a few batteries on it over the years because of this, unrecoverable.
Thanks for the advice guys, is much appreciated.
Dave!
Good luck , keep us posted on what it actually boils down to, I know the earlier Datatools did have a rep for high drainage, the Datatool System 3 I had and the new datatool"Red" have been faultless.
Note to previous owner: a battery charger/conditioner is far cheaper than keeping buying new batteries!
Note to previous owner: a battery charger/conditioner is far cheaper than keeping buying new batteries!
Right, i've connected it to a fully charged 12V car battery, i've fitted a new internal battery into the immobiliser unit (9V) and it still does exactly the same thing.
It seems to have a huge amount of wires going into the unit itself, are these alarms just spliced in as I can't be arsed to put up with this crap every so often, i'd rather have no alarm and use a better mechanical way of keeping it safe.
Dave!
It seems to have a huge amount of wires going into the unit itself, are these alarms just spliced in as I can't be arsed to put up with this crap every so often, i'd rather have no alarm and use a better mechanical way of keeping it safe.
Dave!
Bad earth from battery to frame/ engine would give the same symptoms...
I used to be a Datatool techie when the Mk. V was current... in fact I had the circuit diagram for the unit when the then UK distributors didn't. In those days it used a remote tilt sensor and had a PP3 NiCad as the backup! There was also a wire loop you could install that could be run through eg a helmet, pannier lid switches etc. to detect tampering (I don't think many recent alarms include this feature).
The circuit board was liberally smeared with blue grease before final assembly to keep the water out, it made repairing them a tad messy. Luckily they were fairly reliable, although people jump-starting bikes from cars sometimes caused a problem...
I used to be a Datatool techie when the Mk. V was current... in fact I had the circuit diagram for the unit when the then UK distributors didn't. In those days it used a remote tilt sensor and had a PP3 NiCad as the backup! There was also a wire loop you could install that could be run through eg a helmet, pannier lid switches etc. to detect tampering (I don't think many recent alarms include this feature).
The circuit board was liberally smeared with blue grease before final assembly to keep the water out, it made repairing them a tad messy. Luckily they were fairly reliable, although people jump-starting bikes from cars sometimes caused a problem...
What kind of problems haha
The battery was just sat in the boot, it wasn't running at the time.
If it drains the battery down every 2 weeks then i'm not interested in having it, more hassle than it's worth.
It has an earth lead to the battery, surely this is the main earth for the unit itself?
Or do bikes not earth through the frame?
Dave!
The battery was just sat in the boot, it wasn't running at the time.
If it drains the battery down every 2 weeks then i'm not interested in having it, more hassle than it's worth.
It has an earth lead to the battery, surely this is the main earth for the unit itself?
Or do bikes not earth through the frame?
Dave!
Have just had a Datatool S4 ripped off mine for roughly the same symptoms. Turned out to be a problem with the alarm, rather than the bike, and has magically disappeared since I had the damn thing removed.
As regards insurance, if you gave the ins co the certificate of installation, it might raise your premium, if you didnt, it wont as they will have ignored it for insurance purposes. Ring them and tell them you are having it removed, though, as it is a material fact.
Good luck with it
As regards insurance, if you gave the ins co the certificate of installation, it might raise your premium, if you didnt, it wont as they will have ignored it for insurance purposes. Ring them and tell them you are having it removed, though, as it is a material fact.
Good luck with it
randlemarcus said:
Have just had a Datatool S4 ripped off mine for roughly the same symptoms. Turned out to be a problem with the alarm, rather than the bike, and has magically disappeared since I had the damn thing removed.
As regards insurance, if you gave the ins co the certificate of installation, it might raise your premium, if you didnt, it wont as they will have ignored it for insurance purposes. Ring them and tell them you are having it removed, though, as it is a material fact.
Good luck with it
How indepth was the removal?As regards insurance, if you gave the ins co the certificate of installation, it might raise your premium, if you didnt, it wont as they will have ignored it for insurance purposes. Ring them and tell them you are having it removed, though, as it is a material fact.
Good luck with it
Is it just spliced into the loom or does it actually change the way the loom is run or connected in some way?
To get to the starter I need to remove the tank as I can't see a thing, why can't they be like tractors and easier to work on haha
Dave!
Howitzer said:
randlemarcus said:
Have just had a Datatool S4 ripped off mine for roughly the same symptoms. Turned out to be a problem with the alarm, rather than the bike, and has magically disappeared since I had the damn thing removed.
As regards insurance, if you gave the ins co the certificate of installation, it might raise your premium, if you didnt, it wont as they will have ignored it for insurance purposes. Ring them and tell them you are having it removed, though, as it is a material fact.
Good luck with it
How indepth was the removal?As regards insurance, if you gave the ins co the certificate of installation, it might raise your premium, if you didnt, it wont as they will have ignored it for insurance purposes. Ring them and tell them you are having it removed, though, as it is a material fact.
Good luck with it
Is it just spliced into the loom or does it actually change the way the loom is run or connected in some way?
To get to the starter I need to remove the tank as I can't see a thing, why can't they be like tractors and easier to work on haha
Dave!
OK, that did involve a fairly substantial call out fee as the place I took it to wont touch Datatool with a bargepole (Meta shop), and some testing to make sure it actually was the alarm. (Before you ask, it was placed under the seat - directly on top of four rather hot exhaust pipes, and had fried the circuitry)From the conversation with the guy, it is spliced fairly deep into the loom, and I would be a little nervous about simply taking snibs and cutting it out. This was a 2006 installation of a top of the range alarm, which the dumb fvck previous owner had not registered with Datatool, so was not covered under their 3 year warranty. grrr..
Dont get me started on stupidly complex alarms on bikes that dont stop determined sorts nicking them in the first place.
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