Bloody hell, failed AGAIN!

[Sossige]

I am really miffed. I had a second attempt at my DAS bike test today, but failed.

I got zero minors but one serious which was the emergency stop. The examiner didn't like my BSB stylee rear end out as I came to a stop, so that cost me it.

I'm absolutely gutted as I realised I'd locked it up but released the brakes then reapplied them. It was an absolutely faultless ride otherwise, so I really threw it all away.

On the upside, a zero minors and a perfect ride including the best U-turn that I ever done - so I'm getting back on as soon as I can.

I'm not much fun to be around right now

[Muffles]

I thought if you released the brakes and reapplied it was supposed to be fine (possibly not even a minor)...since it sounds like you did it correctly I'd advocate the "pass the test" method of just making sure there's no air visible between your right foot and the rear brake lever...no need to put any real weight onto it.

[hornetrider]

Unlucky fella.

Hint: don't touch the back brake on the emergency stop. There's really no need as the instructor can't tell anyway. At least, mine didn't! Did he stand in the middle of a quiet road then raise is hand in front of you?

[Rawwr]

3rd time lucky?

[Chilli]

Muffles said:

I thought if you released the brakes and reapplied it was supposed to be fine (possibly not even a minor)...since it sounds like you did it correctly I'd advocate the "pass the test" method of just making sure there's no air visible between your right foot and the rear brake lever...no need to put any real weight onto it.

That's what I thought.
Bad luck mate, get the third booked NOW!

[hornetrider]

Chilli said:

Muffles said:

I thought if you released the brakes and reapplied it was supposed to be fine (possibly not even a minor)...since it sounds like you did it correctly I'd advocate the "pass the test" method of just making sure there's no air visible between your right foot and the rear brake lever...no need to put any real weight onto it.

That's what I thought.
Bad luck mate, get the third booked NOW!

I think it's OK to lock up as long as you release but I think a slide is a no-no

[Chilli]

hornetrider said:

Chilli said:

Muffles said:

I thought if you released the brakes and reapplied it was supposed to be fine (possibly not even a minor)...since it sounds like you did it correctly I'd advocate the "pass the test" method of just making sure there's no air visible between your right foot and the rear brake lever...no need to put any real weight onto it.

That's what I thought.
Bad luck mate, get the third booked NOW!

I think it's OK to lock up as long as you release but I think a slide is a no-no

Ah, got ya.

[Sossige]

hornetrider said:

Did he stand in the middle of a quiet road then raise is hand in front of you?

Yep, exactly that. As Rawr says, it's looking like 3rd time lucky. I bloody well hope so anyway!

Really gutted, I was convinced that I was going to be shopping for a Hornet all of my own this weekend.

[black-k1]

hornetrider said:

Hint: don't touch the back brake on the emergency stop. There's really no need as the instructor can't tell anyway. At least, mine didn't! Did he stand in the middle of a quiet road then raise is hand in front of you?

Just don't adopt this approach in a real emergency stop situation. You should always both brakes, but especially in an emergency!

[supersingle]

Better luck next time mate.

I remember being taught the whole 75/25 braking technique. What a load of bks! The teaching authorities are stuck in that theory though.

[Muffles]

hornetrider said:

Chilli said:

Muffles said:

I thought if you released the brakes and reapplied it was supposed to be fine (possibly not even a minor)...since it sounds like you did it correctly I'd advocate the "pass the test" method of just making sure there's no air visible between your right foot and the rear brake lever...no need to put any real weight onto it.

That's what I thought.
Bad luck mate, get the third booked NOW!

I think it's OK to lock up as long as you release but I think a slide is a no-no

Do you mean a sideways slide (that's how I read the OP) as locking up will by definition result in a slide

[RemaL]

st luck but better luck next time. will be very worth it in the end

[rumpelstiltskin]

When i was learning to be an instructor i couldn't believe you didn't get away with a wheel locking up slightly,i always thought it was a bit harsh.The stipulation is,bring the motorcycle to a halt quickly,smoothly and under control.Guy that taught me wouldn't even stand for a chirp from the rear wheel!Its an 'emergency' for christ's sake!I remember when i passed my test the emergency stop was done on a road covered in frosty rhime,which was fun.

[hornetrider]

rumpelstiltskin said:

The stipulation is,bring the motorcycle to a halt quickly,smoothly and under control.

Exactly. I think from the OP's description the back end let go sideways somewhat which shows lack of control.

Muffles - yeah I was referring to sideways movement of the bike

[Sossige]

hornetrider said:

Exactly. I think from the OP's description the back end let go sideways somewhat which shows lack of control.

That's exactly it. I felt the back end step out a bit, but I didn't feel that the bike was 'dangerously out of control' - I stopped as quickly as I could (and well before the examiner in the road). But I understand that they view the back end as stopping 'out of control' and the rules are the rules.

As I say, I threw it all away - which is the particularly galling thing. I could be bike shopping this weekend now

[Craphouserat]

Sossige said:

hornetrider said:

Exactly. I think from the OP's description the back end let go sideways somewhat which shows lack of control.

That's exactly it. I felt the back end step out a bit, but I didn't feel that the bike was 'dangerously out of control' - I stopped as quickly as I could (and well before the examiner in the road). But I understand that they view the back end as stopping 'out of control' and the rules are the rules.

As I say, I threw it all away - which is the particularly galling thing. I could be bike shopping this weekend now

Bad luck mate. I got mine 3rd time (failed 2nd time because of an indicator being left on !). I'm sure you will get yours 3rd time too. I was pretty pissed off failing for the indicator on the 2nd attempt, doors slammed, beers opened and downed, and everyone was snapped at for at least a day. Indeed, I started writing up descriptions to sell my gear/bike on ebay ! I was very determined to get it 3rd time, got it with 0 minors. You will too mate. Get it booked asap.

All the best

Barry.

Edited by Craphouserat on Saturday 17th May 13:15

[Sossige]

Cheers Barry, I feel like such a muppet - particularly as the rest of the ride went so well.

There's no way I'm giving up on this - I'm a persistent bugger, and when I commit to something that I want to do, I always go in 110%.

Even if it takes 50 attempts, I'm getting that category A.

[UpTheIron]

Sossige said:

I stopped as quickly as I could (and well before the examiner in the road).

Don't stop so hard next time...the e-stop is a bit of a farce really, on the test you just need to demonstrate you can bring the bike to a halt safely and fairly quickly...no need to really go for it.

If it helps, it took me three goes too. 3rd time was a complete doddle.

[Tyrant]

I found it far too easy to lock up the back wheel on my CBT. I'm hoping my intensive DAS next week will fix that! Good luck on your next test, I have my first in less than a week

[Sossige]

Tyrant said:

I found it far too easy to lock up the back wheel on my CBT. I'm hoping my intensive DAS next week will fix that! Good luck on your next test, I have my first in less than a week

Good luck to you too mate. First time I've locked it up on an E-Stop and it was on the bloody test. Not having much luck at the moment!