steering counter
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Yup yer already doing it.
The next level of doing it is to purposly push the bars further to make the bike lean. There is no mastery to it, the mastery is in relation to how you 'feel the grip' and throttle/lean/brake accordingly etc
Unless youre on a modern moto gp bike then you just press the big green 'go' button and let the computer ride for you bloody nancy boys ecky thoomp it werent like this when i were a kid.
The next level of doing it is to purposly push the bars further to make the bike lean. There is no mastery to it, the mastery is in relation to how you 'feel the grip' and throttle/lean/brake accordingly etc
Unless youre on a modern moto gp bike then you just press the big green 'go' button and let the computer ride for you bloody nancy boys ecky thoomp it werent like this when i were a kid.
Conian said:
Yup yer already doing it.
The next level of doing it is to purposly push the bars further to make the bike lean. There is no mastery to it, the mastery is in relation to how you 'feel the grip' and throttle/lean/brake accordingly etc
Unless youre on a modern moto gp bike then you just press the big green 'go' button and let the computer ride for you bloody nancy boys ecky thoomp it werent like this when i were a kid.
absolutely irrelevant. the computer helps them not lock the back end going in to the bend, and assists with TC on the exit to prevent highsides. They have to counter steer like f**k to get the things turned in (even with carbon wheels, etc)The next level of doing it is to purposly push the bars further to make the bike lean. There is no mastery to it, the mastery is in relation to how you 'feel the grip' and throttle/lean/brake accordingly etc
Unless youre on a modern moto gp bike then you just press the big green 'go' button and let the computer ride for you bloody nancy boys ecky thoomp it werent like this when i were a kid.
sprinter885 said:
Don't think counter steering on straight road is what you're s'posed to do ?? 
(unless you're MotoGP God warming the tyres up)
It only works (sub-consciously) when leaning & above minimal speeds. That's why when in town you DO tend to steer conventionally.
Shirley, you do to a degree on every road, as in you'll be constantly making adjustments. I'm sure its a speed thing...over 25 (or somethnig) you HAVE to conter steer. (unless you're MotoGP God warming the tyres up)It only works (sub-consciously) when leaning & above minimal speeds. That's why when in town you DO tend to steer conventionally.
I tend to use my footpegs you see, so not really sure
sprinter885 said:
I'll have to consciously check out that bit. But I do agree with you it becomes effective/necessary above (about) 25mph and the footpeg weighting bit too.
I think the point I was making was why would you consciously counter steer in straight line?
Well, You never really travel in a straight line, and I guess no roads are completely straight. Add to this hazards, ie pot holes, drains, cars etc etc, you'd have to move around a bit.I think the point I was making was why would you consciously counter steer in straight line?
fergus said:
Conian said:
Yup yer already doing it.
The next level of doing it is to purposly push the bars further to make the bike lean. There is no mastery to it, the mastery is in relation to how you 'feel the grip' and throttle/lean/brake accordingly etc
Unless youre on a modern moto gp bike then you just press the big green 'go' button and let the computer ride for you bloody nancy boys ecky thoomp it werent like this when i were a kid.
absolutely irrelevant. the computer helps them not lock the back end going in to the bend, and assists with TC on the exit to prevent highsides. They have to counter steer like f**k to get the things turned in (even with carbon wheels, etc)The next level of doing it is to purposly push the bars further to make the bike lean. There is no mastery to it, the mastery is in relation to how you 'feel the grip' and throttle/lean/brake accordingly etc
Unless youre on a modern moto gp bike then you just press the big green 'go' button and let the computer ride for you bloody nancy boys ecky thoomp it werent like this when i were a kid.
What I mean is there is not much art to counter steering, the art is feeling the grip and knowing how far to lean and accelerate etc.
I was bein sarky about moto gp computing power.
Once you're moving at any reasonable speed (25 mph is a good number but probably lower than this) it's very difficult to turn without countersteering. Find a big open road, carpark, runway and try it.
Lots of maths / physics involved in explaining why it works (don't want to bore you all more than I am) but unless you're on 30 yr old Avon Speedmaster tyres on a smooth, wet, road, you won't loose the front by pushing the bars really hard (not holding them there) and seeing what the bike does.
Get used to how the bike responds to different rider inputs in this way and you'll be a far better rider for it.
Lots of maths / physics involved in explaining why it works (don't want to bore you all more than I am) but unless you're on 30 yr old Avon Speedmaster tyres on a smooth, wet, road, you won't loose the front by pushing the bars really hard (not holding them there) and seeing what the bike does.
Get used to how the bike responds to different rider inputs in this way and you'll be a far better rider for it.
castrolcraig said:
Chilli said:
castrolcraig said:
Chilli said:
Add to this hazards, ie pot holes, drains, cars and hedges etc etc, you'd have to move around a bit.
efa(sorry chilli, couldnt help.....)
Cheers.
ps - When you gonna teach me to ride a bike properly around a track??!!
Chilli said:
castrolcraig said:
Chilli said:
castrolcraig said:
Chilli said:
Add to this hazards, ie pot holes, drains, cars and hedges etc etc, you'd have to move around a bit.
efa(sorry chilli, couldnt help.....)
Cheers.
ps - When you gonna teach me to ride a bike properly around a track??!!
I spent 1/2 day learning this yesterday at mallory park, going round gerrards in both directions is fun and then one handed to really get a feel for it...
a real head f
k when they first tell you but amazing when you get your head round it .. to turn tighter, turn away from the corner and lean over a bit more... come on you cant be serious I'll crash, but feck me does it work... So much so on one full lap I came out of the esses a bit hot and into the left hander before shaws.. sat up a bit and turned the normal way and started to run wide, Head clicked in pushed the bar in the opposite direction and leaned in no drama...
!!
a real head f
k when they first tell you but amazing when you get your head round it .. to turn tighter, turn away from the corner and lean over a bit more... come on you cant be serious I'll crash, but feck me does it work... So much so on one full lap I came out of the esses a bit hot and into the left hander before shaws.. sat up a bit and turned the normal way and started to run wide, Head clicked in pushed the bar in the opposite direction and leaned in no drama...!!
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