OK to give it the full beans?
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Had the bike in the dealer today to have the running in service done. According to the manual, it advises 12k rev limit from 500 miles until 1000miles but the technician says I can use maximum revs as it should be ok.
Can anyone advise? My bike is a GSX-R600 K7.
The first 600 miles was an absolute chore keeping it under 8k revs but then again it's allowed me to restrain myself and get used to the handling of a sportsbike sensibly. For anyone who's just passed their test and thinking about getting one. Do it
Can anyone advise? My bike is a GSX-R600 K7.
The first 600 miles was an absolute chore keeping it under 8k revs but then again it's allowed me to restrain myself and get used to the handling of a sportsbike sensibly. For anyone who's just passed their test and thinking about getting one. Do it
Edited by amare32 on Monday 9th June 18:53
The technical? You mean the mechanic, or another manual??
I've run all mine in (mostly) by the book, but that's more to do with who provides my warranty - the manufacturer, or someone on the internet
Actually on the last one I ran it in as per the manual up to the 600 mile service, and then after that I increased the revs by X amount every 100 miles until I was at (roughly) full revs and 1000 miles. So on the 600 that's 16,000rpm, i.e. 8,000rpm to increase by.
Doing 2,000rpm per 100 miles would put you at 16,000rpm by 900, so if it was me I would try 1,500rpm maybe?
Up to 700 miles - 9,500rpm
Up to 800 miles - 11,000rpm
Up to 900 miles - 12,500rpm
Up to 1000 miles - 14,000rpm
And then once past 1000 miles you may as well just go to 16,000rpm not 15,500rpm, obviously...
Final thing is - running in is a black art and you may as well do whatever you want to do, to be honest!
I've run all mine in (mostly) by the book, but that's more to do with who provides my warranty - the manufacturer, or someone on the internet
Actually on the last one I ran it in as per the manual up to the 600 mile service, and then after that I increased the revs by X amount every 100 miles until I was at (roughly) full revs and 1000 miles. So on the 600 that's 16,000rpm, i.e. 8,000rpm to increase by.
Doing 2,000rpm per 100 miles would put you at 16,000rpm by 900, so if it was me I would try 1,500rpm maybe?
Up to 700 miles - 9,500rpm
Up to 800 miles - 11,000rpm
Up to 900 miles - 12,500rpm
Up to 1000 miles - 14,000rpm
And then once past 1000 miles you may as well just go to 16,000rpm not 15,500rpm, obviously...
Final thing is - running in is a black art and you may as well do whatever you want to do, to be honest!
bought my 08 triple in march. got it serviced at 500 miles 10 days later then ragged the nuts off it.
says not max revs for first 1000 miles but almost everyone says after the first service you will be just fine.
not been a prob since. and runs very well
says not max revs for first 1000 miles but almost everyone says after the first service you will be just fine.
not been a prob since. and runs very well
Edited by RemaL on Monday 9th June 20:38
I ragged my R6 from new after doing 20 or so miles to warm it up an bed the pads/tyres in, it didnt do me any harm. Bike was checked out fully for the 1st service 6 weeks ago and all checked out fine. Also dealer actually asked me if I had ran the bike in properly - of course I said a resounding "yes". He then said that run-in requirements are not needed these days!
RemaL said:
bought my 08 triple in march. got it serviced at 500 miles 10 days later then ragged the nuts off it.
says not max revs for first 1000 miles but almost everyone says after the first service you will be just fine.
not been a prob since. and runs very well
...althought 3 months possibly isn't quite long enough to be judging the long term effectssays not max revs for first 1000 miles but almost everyone says after the first service you will be just fine.
not been a prob since. and runs very well
I have had my K7 from August of Last year, I have done 6400 miles on it and no problems. I ran it in according to the manual to 500 to 600, well almost.... Kept to the limits on the whole with occasional explorations higher. They do say the main point is not to keep the revs constant too long whilst running in. After that I slowly increased the revs by 1000 for every additional 100 miles. Again with occasoinal higher revs. I still do not use all the revs in all the gears as it scares me sometimes
Kept to the limits on the whole with occasional explorations higher. They do say the main point is not to keep the revs constant too long whilst running in. After that I slowly increased the revs by 1000 for every additional 100 miles. Again with occasoinal higher revs. I still do not use all the revs in all the gears as it scares me sometimes I've run in 2 brand new bikes and never had any problems thrashing them from 0 miles, I just always let them warm up properly first and then just ride it however you would ride a run in bike, just no steady throttle for long periods. The best way to run in a modern engine is hard acceleration and then heavy engine braking.
http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm
http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm
Edited by touge on Wednesday 18th June 14:59
dern said:
RemaL said:
bought my 08 triple in march. got it serviced at 500 miles 10 days later then ragged the nuts off it.
says not max revs for first 1000 miles but almost everyone says after the first service you will be just fine.
not been a prob since. and runs very well
...althought 3 months possibly isn't quite long enough to be judging the long term effectssays not max revs for first 1000 miles but almost everyone says after the first service you will be just fine.
not been a prob since. and runs very well
There appears to be many opinions on the best way to run in modern motorcycle engines though most seem to be based on ‘I/my mate ….. thrashed the nuts off/drove like a real fairy ….. from day one/for exactly the defined period …. (delete as applicable) and nothing has gone wrong!’
My understanding of the ‘running in’ process is to allow for a better ‘fit’ of engine parts which will extend the life of the engine and give better performance/efficiency. Now, given that most motorcycle engines are removed from service long before their life true expectancy (how many bikes actually wear an engine out) then the life expectancy element of the running in process is pretty pointless. (Especially if you don’t intend keeping the bike until the engine wears out, which very few new bike buyers will do!) That means that only real difference the running in process is going to make is to the engine performance/efficiency.
On the whole, it is better for manufacturers if their engines are seen as the best performers/most efficient if measured against the competition. This leads to my rhetorical question of ‘if you get a better engine by thrashing it from day one why do all manufacturers give running in instructions?’
My understanding of the ‘running in’ process is to allow for a better ‘fit’ of engine parts which will extend the life of the engine and give better performance/efficiency. Now, given that most motorcycle engines are removed from service long before their life true expectancy (how many bikes actually wear an engine out) then the life expectancy element of the running in process is pretty pointless. (Especially if you don’t intend keeping the bike until the engine wears out, which very few new bike buyers will do!) That means that only real difference the running in process is going to make is to the engine performance/efficiency.
On the whole, it is better for manufacturers if their engines are seen as the best performers/most efficient if measured against the competition. This leads to my rhetorical question of ‘if you get a better engine by thrashing it from day one why do all manufacturers give running in instructions?’
black-k1 said:
On the whole, it is better for manufacturers if their engines are seen as the best performers/most efficient if measured against the competition. This leads to my rhetorical question of ‘if you get a better engine by thrashing it from day one why do all manufacturers give running in instructions?’
My fireblade came with a manual that just seemed to suggest taking it easy for a bit but no specific details as to what taking it easy meant or how long a bit was. The dealer gave me more specific instructions but my guess was that they were just a general running in procedure that honda didn't think absolutely necessary. I imagine all they intended was to not red-line it all the time for the first few hundred miles but it was very much open to interpretation.My blade now had getting on for 35k miles on it, uses no oil and feels fast. I took the head off it at 24k miles to repair a spark plug thread and there was no appreciable wear (you could see the honing marks). Does that mean it's performing at its best or is at its most efficient that it could be given an absolutely ideal running in procedure? No idea.
black-k1 is right though... given that to get to these miles I've used it in all weathers there's absolutely no chance whatsoever that the rest of the bike will last long enough for engine wear to become a factor. It will either fall apart way before then and by that I mean the cycle parts will simply start to cost more than I want to pay compared with the attractive prospect of having a new bike or something will fail in the engine precluding it wearing out or I'll crash it and it'll be written off. Unless something fails causing oil starvation I just can't see that bore wear given that I've got this far will ever be an issue.
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