Clipping Wing Mirrors
Discussion
If they drift out on me and I hit them I just keep going. Scratched the side of van along the whole length and took his mirror off as he leapt into the gap I was in pushing me onto the hard shoulder. For that I stopped and had it out with him.
If I clip a mirror through me missjudging the gap or the car on the other side moving over and closing the gap, I just give an appologetic wave.
If I clip a mirror through me missjudging the gap or the car on the other side moving over and closing the gap, I just give an appologetic wave.
I clipped the mirror of a fiesta on the M1 last night, felt terrible but it was only lightly.
I have in the past nearly knocked the mirror of a fiesta off in the past with two old duffers in as they deliberatly moved into my path whilst filtering to the point they hit my knee. Didnt feel guilty at all.
I have in the past nearly knocked the mirror of a fiesta off in the past with two old duffers in as they deliberatly moved into my path whilst filtering to the point they hit my knee. Didnt feel guilty at all.
If its my fault (and no damage occurs) I give an apologetic wave.
If it is their fault due to not paying attention, I'll ignore it.
If it is their fault because they deliberately tried to block me, I have been known to take the mirror clean off, it only takes a small downwards hit with a closed fist
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If it is their fault due to not paying attention, I'll ignore it.
If it is their fault because they deliberately tried to block me, I have been known to take the mirror clean off, it only takes a small downwards hit with a closed fist
.Section 170 Road Traffic Act 1988
DUTY OF DRIVER TO STOP, REPORT ACCIDENT AND GIVE INFORMATION OR DOCUMENTS
1) This section applies in a case where, owing to the presence of a mechanically propelled vehicle on a road, an accident occurs by which -
(a) personal injury is caused to a person other than the driver of that mechanically propelled vehicle, or
(b) damage is caused -
(i) to a vehicle other than that mechanically propelled vehicle or a trailer drawn by that mechanically propelled vehicle, or
(ii) to an animal other than an animal in or on that mechanically propelled vehicle or a trailer drawn by that mechanically propelled vehicle, or
(iii) to any other property constructed on, fixed to, growing in or otherwise forming part of the land on which the road in question is situated or land adjacent to such land
(2) The driver of the mechanically propelled vehicle must stop and, if required to do so by any person having reasonable grounds for so requiring, give his name and address and also the name and address of the owner and the identification marks of the vehicle.
(3) If for any reason the driver of the mechanically propelled vehicle does not give his name and address under subsection (2) above, he must report the accident.
(4) A person who fails to comply with subsection (2) or (3) above is guilty of an offence.
(5) If, in a case where this section applies by virtue of subsection (1)(a) above, the driver of a motor vehicle does not at the time of the accident produce such a certificate of insurance or security, or other evidence, as is mentioned.in section 165(2) of this Act -
(a) to a constable, or
(b) to some person who, having reasonable grounds for so doing, has required him to produce it, the driver must report the accident and produce such a certificate or other evidence. This subjection does not apply to the driver of an invalid carriage.
(6) To comply with a duty under this section to report an accident or to produce such a certificate of insurance or security, or other evidence, as is mentioned in section 165(2)(a) of certificate of insurance or security, or other evidence, as is mentioned in section 165(2)(a) of this Act, the driver -
(a) must do so at a police station or to a constable, and
(b) must do so as soon as is reasonably practicable and, in any case, within twenty-four hours of the occurrence of the accident
(7) A person who fails to comply with a duty under section (5) above is guilty of an offence, but he shall not be convicted by reason only of a failure to produce a certificate or other evidence if, within seven days after the occurrence of the accident, the certificate or other evidence is produced at a police station that was specified by him at the time when the accident was reported.
(8) In this section "animal" means horse, cattle, ass, mule, sheep, pig, goat or dog.
[Road Traffic Act 1988, s 170 amended by the Road Traffic Act 1991, Sch 4].
DUTY OF DRIVER TO STOP, REPORT ACCIDENT AND GIVE INFORMATION OR DOCUMENTS
1) This section applies in a case where, owing to the presence of a mechanically propelled vehicle on a road, an accident occurs by which -
(a) personal injury is caused to a person other than the driver of that mechanically propelled vehicle, or
(b) damage is caused -
(i) to a vehicle other than that mechanically propelled vehicle or a trailer drawn by that mechanically propelled vehicle, or
(ii) to an animal other than an animal in or on that mechanically propelled vehicle or a trailer drawn by that mechanically propelled vehicle, or
(iii) to any other property constructed on, fixed to, growing in or otherwise forming part of the land on which the road in question is situated or land adjacent to such land
(2) The driver of the mechanically propelled vehicle must stop and, if required to do so by any person having reasonable grounds for so requiring, give his name and address and also the name and address of the owner and the identification marks of the vehicle.
(3) If for any reason the driver of the mechanically propelled vehicle does not give his name and address under subsection (2) above, he must report the accident.
(4) A person who fails to comply with subsection (2) or (3) above is guilty of an offence.
(5) If, in a case where this section applies by virtue of subsection (1)(a) above, the driver of a motor vehicle does not at the time of the accident produce such a certificate of insurance or security, or other evidence, as is mentioned.in section 165(2) of this Act -
(a) to a constable, or
(b) to some person who, having reasonable grounds for so doing, has required him to produce it, the driver must report the accident and produce such a certificate or other evidence. This subjection does not apply to the driver of an invalid carriage.
(6) To comply with a duty under this section to report an accident or to produce such a certificate of insurance or security, or other evidence, as is mentioned in section 165(2)(a) of certificate of insurance or security, or other evidence, as is mentioned in section 165(2)(a) of this Act, the driver -
(a) must do so at a police station or to a constable, and
(b) must do so as soon as is reasonably practicable and, in any case, within twenty-four hours of the occurrence of the accident
(7) A person who fails to comply with a duty under section (5) above is guilty of an offence, but he shall not be convicted by reason only of a failure to produce a certificate or other evidence if, within seven days after the occurrence of the accident, the certificate or other evidence is produced at a police station that was specified by him at the time when the accident was reported.
(8) In this section "animal" means horse, cattle, ass, mule, sheep, pig, goat or dog.
[Road Traffic Act 1988, s 170 amended by the Road Traffic Act 1991, Sch 4].
wassy said:
Section 170 Road Traffic Act 1988
DUTY OF DRIVER TO STOP, REPORT ACCIDENT AND GIVE INFORMATION OR DOCUMENTS
[Road Traffic Act 1988, s 170 amended by the Road Traffic Act 1991, Sch 4].
As no damage occurs from "clipping" mirrors there'd be no reason to stop.DUTY OF DRIVER TO STOP, REPORT ACCIDENT AND GIVE INFORMATION OR DOCUMENTS
[Road Traffic Act 1988, s 170 amended by the Road Traffic Act 1991, Sch 4].
If there was a mirror knocked off on one of the busy trunk roads into London in rush hour the cops would be about as interested as someone reported for littering for flicking a fag butt out of a car window.
MKH9130 said:
If its my fault (and no damage occurs) I give an apologetic wave.
If it is their fault due to not paying attention, I'll ignore it.
If it is their fault because they deliberately tried to block me, I have been known to take the mirror clean off, it only takes a small downwards hit with a closed fist.
If it is their fault due to not paying attention, I'll ignore it.
If it is their fault because they deliberately tried to block me, I have been known to take the mirror clean off, it only takes a small downwards hit with a closed fist
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I've ridden for 20 years (most recently had an 04R1 for 3 years), and yet, I still find it funny that bikers will often times be completely in the wrong, and yet still be completely arrogant, thinking that whatever they do to a "civvie", they can get away because they cant be caught.
m3psm said:
wassy said:
Section 170 Road Traffic Act 1988
DUTY OF DRIVER TO STOP, REPORT ACCIDENT AND GIVE INFORMATION OR DOCUMENTS
[Road Traffic Act 1988, s 170 amended by the Road Traffic Act 1991, Sch 4].
As no damage occurs from "clipping" mirrors there'd be no reason to stop.DUTY OF DRIVER TO STOP, REPORT ACCIDENT AND GIVE INFORMATION OR DOCUMENTS
[Road Traffic Act 1988, s 170 amended by the Road Traffic Act 1991, Sch 4].
If there was a mirror knocked off on one of the busy trunk roads into London in rush hour the cops would be about as interested as someone reported for littering for flicking a fag butt out of a car window.
Two options :
a)
Stop, walk back and break it off properly, then walk round and break the other one off as she obviously doesn't use them.
Reach up and break the radio aerial off to make sure she is not distracted again and concentrates on the road around her.
or
b)
ignore it.
I tend to go for b) but have been known to think about option a) at times.
a)
Stop, walk back and break it off properly, then walk round and break the other one off as she obviously doesn't use them.
Reach up and break the radio aerial off to make sure she is not distracted again and concentrates on the road around her.
or
b)
ignore it.
I tend to go for b) but have been known to think about option a) at times.
wassy said:
m3psm said:
As no damage occurs from "clipping" mirrors there'd be no reason to stop.
If there was a mirror knocked off on one of the busy trunk roads into London in rush hour the cops would be about as interested as someone reported for littering for flicking a fag butt out of a car window.
How do you know there was no damage.If there was a mirror knocked off on one of the busy trunk roads into London in rush hour the cops would be about as interested as someone reported for littering for flicking a fag butt out of a car window.
A clout will break or knock mine back and leave glass on the floor. A clip will be slight touch or nudge that won't break anything
i've booted a mirror off in the past as i swerved to avoid a car that just swerved across me without checking her mirrors - id do it again too the scum who dont look need to learn & if fear is the only thing that works then so be it.
i've also booted a door in. left hand bend, car to my right wants my lane, busy traffic so nowhere to go & after he was half in my lane i was running out of options so booted it. he woke up & noticed me at that point. dozy arse cut up the car behind to tailgate me up the sliproad afterwards. so i stopped him right at the end of the sliproad leading to a uphill on a busy road (A14 west off wotsit where it meets the M1) and then took off leaving t
t stuck there & a convoy of lorries on the road oddly i never saw the prat again.
i've also booted a door in. left hand bend, car to my right wants my lane, busy traffic so nowhere to go & after he was half in my lane i was running out of options so booted it. he woke up & noticed me at that point. dozy arse cut up the car behind to tailgate me up the sliproad afterwards. so i stopped him right at the end of the sliproad leading to a uphill on a busy road (A14 west off wotsit where it meets the M1) and then took off leaving t
t stuck there & a convoy of lorries on the road oddly i never saw the prat again.If any biker clips my mirror through no fault of my own and merely gives me an "I'm sorry" wave they are nothing more than a vandal imo.
If the car created the problem though then that is not the fault of the rider, i'd still be inclined to stop and have it out with them though, if only to stop it coming back on you at a later date.
Dave!
If the car created the problem though then that is not the fault of the rider, i'd still be inclined to stop and have it out with them though, if only to stop it coming back on you at a later date.
Dave!
wassy said:
Section 170 Road Traffic Act 1988
DUTY OF DRIVER TO STOP, REPORT ACCIDENT AND GIVE INFORMATION OR DOCUMENTS
1) This section applies in a case where, owing to the presence of a mechanically propelled vehicle on a road, an accident occurs by which -
(a) personal injury is caused to a person other than the driver of that mechanically propelled vehicle, or
(b) damage is caused -
(i) to a vehicle other than that mechanically propelled vehicle or a trailer drawn by that mechanically propelled vehicle, or
(ii) to an animal other than an animal in or on that mechanically propelled vehicle or a trailer drawn by that mechanically propelled vehicle, or
(iii) to any other property constructed on, fixed to, growing in or otherwise forming part of the land on which the road in question is situated or land adjacent to such land
(2) The driver of the mechanically propelled vehicle must stop and, if required to do so by any person having reasonable grounds for so requiring, give his name and address and also the name and address of the owner and the identification marks of the vehicle.
(3) If for any reason the driver of the mechanically propelled vehicle does not give his name and address under subsection (2) above, he must report the accident.
(4) A person who fails to comply with subsection (2) or (3) above is guilty of an offence.
(5) If, in a case where this section applies by virtue of subsection (1)(a) above, the driver of a motor vehicle does not at the time of the accident produce such a certificate of insurance or security, or other evidence, as is mentioned.in section 165(2) of this Act -
(a) to a constable, or
(b) to some person who, having reasonable grounds for so doing, has required him to produce it, the driver must report the accident and produce such a certificate or other evidence. This subjection does not apply to the driver of an invalid carriage.
(6) To comply with a duty under this section to report an accident or to produce such a certificate of insurance or security, or other evidence, as is mentioned in section 165(2)(a) of certificate of insurance or security, or other evidence, as is mentioned in section 165(2)(a) of this Act, the driver -
(a) must do so at a police station or to a constable, and
(b) must do so as soon as is reasonably practicable and, in any case, within twenty-four hours of the occurrence of the accident
(7) A person who fails to comply with a duty under section (5) above is guilty of an offence, but he shall not be convicted by reason only of a failure to produce a certificate or other evidence if, within seven days after the occurrence of the accident, the certificate or other evidence is produced at a police station that was specified by him at the time when the accident was reported.
(8) In this section "animal" means horse, cattle, ass, mule, sheep, pig, goat or dog.
[Road Traffic Act 1988, s 170 amended by the Road Traffic Act 1991, Sch 4].
sorry but this government says there is no such thing as accidentsDUTY OF DRIVER TO STOP, REPORT ACCIDENT AND GIVE INFORMATION OR DOCUMENTS
1) This section applies in a case where, owing to the presence of a mechanically propelled vehicle on a road, an accident occurs by which -
(a) personal injury is caused to a person other than the driver of that mechanically propelled vehicle, or
(b) damage is caused -
(i) to a vehicle other than that mechanically propelled vehicle or a trailer drawn by that mechanically propelled vehicle, or
(ii) to an animal other than an animal in or on that mechanically propelled vehicle or a trailer drawn by that mechanically propelled vehicle, or
(iii) to any other property constructed on, fixed to, growing in or otherwise forming part of the land on which the road in question is situated or land adjacent to such land
(2) The driver of the mechanically propelled vehicle must stop and, if required to do so by any person having reasonable grounds for so requiring, give his name and address and also the name and address of the owner and the identification marks of the vehicle.
(3) If for any reason the driver of the mechanically propelled vehicle does not give his name and address under subsection (2) above, he must report the accident.
(4) A person who fails to comply with subsection (2) or (3) above is guilty of an offence.
(5) If, in a case where this section applies by virtue of subsection (1)(a) above, the driver of a motor vehicle does not at the time of the accident produce such a certificate of insurance or security, or other evidence, as is mentioned.in section 165(2) of this Act -
(a) to a constable, or
(b) to some person who, having reasonable grounds for so doing, has required him to produce it, the driver must report the accident and produce such a certificate or other evidence. This subjection does not apply to the driver of an invalid carriage.
(6) To comply with a duty under this section to report an accident or to produce such a certificate of insurance or security, or other evidence, as is mentioned in section 165(2)(a) of certificate of insurance or security, or other evidence, as is mentioned in section 165(2)(a) of this Act, the driver -
(a) must do so at a police station or to a constable, and
(b) must do so as soon as is reasonably practicable and, in any case, within twenty-four hours of the occurrence of the accident
(7) A person who fails to comply with a duty under section (5) above is guilty of an offence, but he shall not be convicted by reason only of a failure to produce a certificate or other evidence if, within seven days after the occurrence of the accident, the certificate or other evidence is produced at a police station that was specified by him at the time when the accident was reported.
(8) In this section "animal" means horse, cattle, ass, mule, sheep, pig, goat or dog.
[Road Traffic Act 1988, s 170 amended by the Road Traffic Act 1991, Sch 4].
I just don't understand why (some) bikers think this kind of deliberate vandalism/aggression is justified. So, next time a biker cuts me up - either deliberately or by genuine mistake/poor riding - it will be perfectly acceptable for me to lean out of my car at the next lights and yank his wing mirror of, or maybe get out and kick his fairing in? If it's not then please explain the difference. There are bad/stupid car drivers and bikers and in my experience they're best just avoided and ignored. No point getting involved with them because they WON'T see your point of view and certainly taking the kind of action some on here are suggesting will just confirm their (incorrect) suspicions that all bikers are a menance and in the wrong anyway.
I can see both sides to this.
If by accident you clip someones mirror then i think an apology is fair enough a wave to acknowlegde you've done it.
IF 2 cars pass in the lanes & they touch mirrors they dont stop and rip each others mirrors off they just say sorry!
I know how some people feel by booting someones mirror off or wanting too etc.
But as many others have said it's just pure vandalism!
I personally find beeping my horn and waving my fist usually makes them realise their mistake.
& no offence to women drivers but it is usually the the women who are'nt paying attention.
I've so many storys i can tell in only a few months of riding!
If by accident you clip someones mirror then i think an apology is fair enough a wave to acknowlegde you've done it.
IF 2 cars pass in the lanes & they touch mirrors they dont stop and rip each others mirrors off they just say sorry!
I know how some people feel by booting someones mirror off or wanting too etc.
But as many others have said it's just pure vandalism!
I personally find beeping my horn and waving my fist usually makes them realise their mistake.
& no offence to women drivers but it is usually the the women who are'nt paying attention.
I've so many storys i can tell in only a few months of riding!
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