caught at 85mph,prosecuted for103mph.This stinks !!!
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I know the MCN can be a bit sensationalist occasionally but if this report is correct its no wonder everyone is losing faith in our justice system. Go steady out there boys and girls,they're out to get you!!!!!!
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults...
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults...
ks that judge is talking. its not difficult to make your own choice on speed. i'll let people in front go if keeping up means going faster than i want, im not forced in anyway to keep up. geriatic old fart needs a kick in the nuts to wake him up.I really don't see how they can enforce that, if the first rider is not doing the speed then he can't rightly be done for it, it could be the first rider is not even speeding at all so how on Earth can he be done for an offence that someone else comitted? that truly is a perversion of justice and if judges make stuff like that up they should face the penalty for PCOJ themselves.
Besides if stopped in an alleged group, no-one knows anyone else and they were all riding individually.
Besides if stopped in an alleged group, no-one knows anyone else and they were all riding individually.
3doorPete said:
More and more penalties...... little plate and don't stop.
Indeed. Make it worse for yourself and engage in some dangerous riding to escape. See if you can re-enforce the negative stereotypes that people already have of bikers. Or just be sensible about your riding, ride your own ride and not the ride of those about you and don't race other bikers on public roads.
It is still more possible than ever to have safe fun rides and not put yourself at risk of prosecution or worse.
Mr_annie_vxr said:
3doorPete said:
More and more penalties...... little plate and don't stop.
ride your own ride and not the ride of those about you and don't race other bikers on public roads.
catso said:
Besides if stopped in an alleged group, no-one knows anyone else and they were all riding individually.
DING! I ride on a lot of great local roads and know a lot of the guys that ride the same areas.Are we all guilty by association? total BS.
If someone in an alledged 'group' of riders gets stopped....keep going. If the whole group is stopped (although I don't know how this would be acheived safely without multiple vehicles) then surely its coincidence you are on the same piece of road?
Total BS and surely this will get chucked out in appeal.
if said 'convict' can't afford the appeal, surely MCN should be doing something useful and getting a fund together?
It certainly appears to me that justice has less and less to do with the whole law enforcement process, especially where traffic law is concerned. The law (as I understand it) is clear that the person in charge of the vehicle is the one responsible and thus must be the one who takes the punishment for any breaches of the law. The fact that a third party (the rider at the front of the group) can be punished according to the actions of another rider is totally wrong in my view.
Mr_annie_vxr said:
3doorPete said:
More and more penalties...... little plate and don't stop.
Indeed. Make it worse for yourself and engage in some dangerous riding to escape. See if you can re-enforce the negative stereotypes that people already have of bikers. Or just be sensible about your riding, ride your own ride and not the ride of those about you and don't race other bikers on public roads.
It is still more possible than ever to have safe fun rides and not put yourself at risk of prosecution or worse.
No one suggested the ride was dangerous or unsafe or they was racing, I guess thats the way you all think, despite having not been there or seen the evidence.
One member doing 100MPH doesnt make it either unsafe or dangerous,he broke the law and should face the penalty but not all the group..heck, you could have even been on that run doing 70MPH yourself, im sure you'd be bleating then .
Edited by podman on Thursday 19th November 21:17
Mr_annie_vxr said:
3doorPete said:
More and more penalties...... little plate and don't stop.
Indeed. Make it worse for yourself and engage in some dangerous riding to escape. See if you can re-enforce the negative stereotypes that people already have of bikers. Or just be sensible about your riding, ride your own ride and not the ride of those about you and don't race other bikers on public roads.
It is still more possible than ever to have safe fun rides and not put yourself at risk of prosecution or worse.
You are now not only responsible for your own riding, but anyone else in the group if you are leading a ride out - which I do fairly regularly.
So I come through a 50mph zone at 60mph, and see a speed trap, go to pull in and see my mate in the mirror caning it at 100mph+ to catch up as he's got caught up..., or pulling an adhoc wheelie etc.
So my stern chat and possible 3 point from Mr. Plod has just turned into a serious ban, that will affect my job etc. etc. - I'm now really motivated to stop aren't I?
Nothing to do with racing, now, is it? In my rideouts I always state riders should ride at their own pace and that if they lose sight of faster riders, carry on riding at your own pace, knowing that the leader will stop at the next scheduled junction/exit/turn off on the planned route. I can't enforce them caning it to catch up in inappropriate areas.
Mostro said:
catso said:
it could be the first rider is not even speeding at all so how on Earth can he be done for an offence that someone else comitted?
Unworkable. How can one person be prosecuted for another's 'crime' in any justice system? Madness 
Gary Baldwin who knows a thing or two about motorcycling and the law is right when he says this is a dangerous precedent.
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