Farmer Kills Green Lane Biker
Discussion
UnderTheRadar said:
A lot of rhetoric about but it could easily have been that the biker drove at him and the farmer was swerving to avoid the bike. Given some of the statements in here it's not hard to believe and the attitude doesn't help biking.
Sounds very likely - we (off road bikers) are in the habit of driving agressively towards large 4x4s on mud because that is very likely to end well for us. The case said he went around the corner and they were stopped.I make no apology for the attitude that we'd rather not be mowed down by large vehicles chasing people in anger that may or may not have been lost.
By the sounds of the article and others with more detail on the web, these were not a bunch of 15 year old gyppos on illegal pitbikes, but 50 year old guys with jobs who weren't even from the area.
Unfortunate all around, but a huge penalty to pay for riding along a tractor track on a stub field.
I'm happy to post 2 pictures - 1 of a local byway and 1 of a local UCR where both have a junction with no signage where one way is legal to ride, one way is a footpath and one way is a farmers field. If you read the map wrong you can easily end up taking the wrong route.
1 has a footpath that runs the other side of the hedge to the UCR, so even with GPS it won't tell you with accuracy which is correct.
Again you guys are not play devils advocate and looking at it from both sides...
There is not enough information available to state what truthfully happened, until there is simply taking the stance of the bikers are all innocent as the 4x4 is bigger and they were being chased meant that again they were innocent. Until the full facts of how the actual accident occurred then it would be nice to take a step back.
Someone lost their life and someone is now going to have to carry the burden for the rest of his life that during an altercation and the subsequent accident that he may or may not be the deciding factor that meant a biker lost his life. At the moment the courts decided there was other factors involved that meant the biker lost his life and that is how it ruled.
To simply come on with more venom about farmers is simply weird... accept the ruling so far and if it changes then so be it, at the moment all that is certain is that the farmer didn't want or mean to hurt someone in his statement and something happened that meant his vehicle toppled over.
Unless of course you know something we don't about the case.
There is not enough information available to state what truthfully happened, until there is simply taking the stance of the bikers are all innocent as the 4x4 is bigger and they were being chased meant that again they were innocent. Until the full facts of how the actual accident occurred then it would be nice to take a step back.
Someone lost their life and someone is now going to have to carry the burden for the rest of his life that during an altercation and the subsequent accident that he may or may not be the deciding factor that meant a biker lost his life. At the moment the courts decided there was other factors involved that meant the biker lost his life and that is how it ruled.
To simply come on with more venom about farmers is simply weird... accept the ruling so far and if it changes then so be it, at the moment all that is certain is that the farmer didn't want or mean to hurt someone in his statement and something happened that meant his vehicle toppled over.
Unless of course you know something we don't about the case.
birdcage said:
As a farmer he might find the death less troubling than your average person.
A tragic event that if he has a decent legal team will probably result in a suspended sentence.
I dare say he would have liked it not to happen but by the same taken if it was a genuine error, the death not the chasing then he won't want jail time either.
If they weren't there it never would have happened...
Pay attention, he has been cleared, you numpty.A tragic event that if he has a decent legal team will probably result in a suspended sentence.
I dare say he would have liked it not to happen but by the same taken if it was a genuine error, the death not the chasing then he won't want jail time either.
If they weren't there it never would have happened...
Right here you go guys, you want the FACTS. Then you can have them.
On the 30th October 2010 my Husband of 17 years, my husband who spent 23 years serving in Her Majesty's Royal Navy, my husband who had no criminal convictions, who worked every day of his life since the age of 16, paid his taxes,respected people, lived his life quietly and made every single person he met laugh and love him. My husband went out for a ride with his friends, one a bank manager, one a construction director, one a company director and one a mental health worker (not a bunch of imbosiles as some of you sick heartless individuals seem to assume)
He never came home! He never came home because he was killed. The facts are:- Yes they did get lost, they took a wrong turn into an open field. A stubble field. No crops, no anmimals no gates. They drove around the edge of this stinking feild looking for an exit, when they realised there wasn't one they turned their bikes around to leave. At that point they saw a 4X4 tearing towards them. Not liking the speed at which this vehicle was approaching they continued to leave the field.
The vehicle continued at high speed and chased after them, it chased them and chased them pushing them off this persons land and back onto it. In the dock he admitted driving into my husband. He may not have got up that morning with the intent to kill someone but the moment he continued driving at them that was his intention. He was asked the question "why didn't you stop when they left the field" his answer "they were on my land"
His actions killed my husband, but because this individual is of "good character" they find him not guilty. Well in my book the law just said - you get lost, you take a wrong turn onto someone's land you get your loaded gun or 4X4 and you go ahead and wipe that person out. The law now says it's fine to do that so go ahead Farmer Giles - fill your boots.
All the true and honest people are the ones who can see just what that man did that day, all the people who seem to think the actions of that farmer are justified should be ashamed of yourselves. How dare you even think you can make a judgement or comment on something so serious in such a blaze manner. Come knock on my door and I'll show you just what he did, I'll show you just what he took away.
FYI, Not at any time in the past 16 months has that man shown one single bit of remorse, Not one single apologetic word has come from his mouth. So if this was an accident would'nt you be sorry, wouldn't you be mortified that your accidental actions took a life. He's not, and never has been sorry so how the hell was it ever an accident. I'll tell you the type of person him and his friends are:- They are this so called group of upstanding pillars of the community they not only tried to intimidate me in court on a daily basis, they looked at my family with smug grins across their faces when the verdict was read out. When two of the riders walked past the farmer in court he in turn looked directly at them and smiled. What did any of us ever do? My husband didnt deserve to die in such a violent and painful manner, no one deserves that. I don't deserve to spend the rest of my life without him and to be frank and honest with you all I don't want to. I'd give my last breath away right now to someone in this world fighting to live if it meant I could be with my husband.
Where's the justice in any of that. The law stinks and so do those who stand here and justify the actions of a man who has deliberatley taken a life and got off scott free.
On the 30th October 2010 my Husband of 17 years, my husband who spent 23 years serving in Her Majesty's Royal Navy, my husband who had no criminal convictions, who worked every day of his life since the age of 16, paid his taxes,respected people, lived his life quietly and made every single person he met laugh and love him. My husband went out for a ride with his friends, one a bank manager, one a construction director, one a company director and one a mental health worker (not a bunch of imbosiles as some of you sick heartless individuals seem to assume)
He never came home! He never came home because he was killed. The facts are:- Yes they did get lost, they took a wrong turn into an open field. A stubble field. No crops, no anmimals no gates. They drove around the edge of this stinking feild looking for an exit, when they realised there wasn't one they turned their bikes around to leave. At that point they saw a 4X4 tearing towards them. Not liking the speed at which this vehicle was approaching they continued to leave the field.
The vehicle continued at high speed and chased after them, it chased them and chased them pushing them off this persons land and back onto it. In the dock he admitted driving into my husband. He may not have got up that morning with the intent to kill someone but the moment he continued driving at them that was his intention. He was asked the question "why didn't you stop when they left the field" his answer "they were on my land"
His actions killed my husband, but because this individual is of "good character" they find him not guilty. Well in my book the law just said - you get lost, you take a wrong turn onto someone's land you get your loaded gun or 4X4 and you go ahead and wipe that person out. The law now says it's fine to do that so go ahead Farmer Giles - fill your boots.
All the true and honest people are the ones who can see just what that man did that day, all the people who seem to think the actions of that farmer are justified should be ashamed of yourselves. How dare you even think you can make a judgement or comment on something so serious in such a blaze manner. Come knock on my door and I'll show you just what he did, I'll show you just what he took away.
FYI, Not at any time in the past 16 months has that man shown one single bit of remorse, Not one single apologetic word has come from his mouth. So if this was an accident would'nt you be sorry, wouldn't you be mortified that your accidental actions took a life. He's not, and never has been sorry so how the hell was it ever an accident. I'll tell you the type of person him and his friends are:- They are this so called group of upstanding pillars of the community they not only tried to intimidate me in court on a daily basis, they looked at my family with smug grins across their faces when the verdict was read out. When two of the riders walked past the farmer in court he in turn looked directly at them and smiled. What did any of us ever do? My husband didnt deserve to die in such a violent and painful manner, no one deserves that. I don't deserve to spend the rest of my life without him and to be frank and honest with you all I don't want to. I'd give my last breath away right now to someone in this world fighting to live if it meant I could be with my husband.
Where's the justice in any of that. The law stinks and so do those who stand here and justify the actions of a man who has deliberatley taken a life and got off scott free.
mrsg said:
Right here you go guys, you want the FACTS. Then you can have them.
On the 30th October 2010 my Husband of 17 years, my husband who spent 23 years serving in Her Majesty's Royal Navy, my husband who had no criminal convictions, who worked every day of his life since the age of 16, paid his taxes,respected people, lived his life quietly and made every single person he met laugh and love him. My husband went out for a ride with his friends, one a bank manager, one a construction director, one a company director and one a mental health worker (not a bunch of imbosiles as some of you sick heartless individuals seem to assume)
He never came home! He never came home because he was killed. The facts are:- Yes they did get lost, they took a wrong turn into an open field. A stubble field. No crops, no anmimals no gates. They drove around the edge of this stinking feild looking for an exit, when they realised there wasn't one they turned their bikes around to leave. At that point they saw a 4X4 tearing towards them. Not liking the speed at which this vehicle was approaching they continued to leave the field.
The vehicle continued at high speed and chased after them, it chased them and chased them pushing them off this persons land and back onto it. In the dock he admitted driving into my husband. He may not have got up that morning with the intent to kill someone but the moment he continued driving at them that was his intention. He was asked the question "why didn't you stop when they left the field" his answer "they were on my land"
His actions killed my husband, but because this individual is of "good character" they find him not guilty. Well in my book the law just said - you get lost, you take a wrong turn onto someone's land you get your loaded gun or 4X4 and you go ahead and wipe that person out. The law now says it's fine to do that so go ahead Farmer Giles - fill your boots.
All the true and honest people are the ones who can see just what that man did that day, all the people who seem to think the actions of that farmer are justified should be ashamed of yourselves. How dare you even think you can make a judgement or comment on something so serious in such a blaze manner. Come knock on my door and I'll show you just what he did, I'll show you just what he took away.
FYI, Not at any time in the past 16 months has that man shown one single bit of remorse, Not one single apologetic word has come from his mouth. So if this was an accident would'nt you be sorry, wouldn't you be mortified that your accidental actions took a life. He's not, and never has been sorry so how the hell was it ever an accident. I'll tell you the type of person him and his friends are:- They are this so called group of upstanding pillars of the community they not only tried to intimidate me in court on a daily basis, they looked at my family with smug grins across their faces when the verdict was read out. When two of the riders walked past the farmer in court he in turn looked directly at them and smiled. What did any of us ever do? My husband didnt deserve to die in such a violent and painful manner, no one deserves that. I don't deserve to spend the rest of my life without him and to be frank and honest with you all I don't want to. I'd give my last breath away right now to someone in this world fighting to live if it meant I could be with my husband.
Where's the justice in any of that. The law stinks and so do those who stand here and justify the actions of a man who has deliberatley taken a life and got off scott free.
Thank you for posting this. You have my deepest sympathy and hopefully this statement goes some way to addressing those who have defended the actions of the driver due to a lack of clarity or details. I await their replies with interest.On the 30th October 2010 my Husband of 17 years, my husband who spent 23 years serving in Her Majesty's Royal Navy, my husband who had no criminal convictions, who worked every day of his life since the age of 16, paid his taxes,respected people, lived his life quietly and made every single person he met laugh and love him. My husband went out for a ride with his friends, one a bank manager, one a construction director, one a company director and one a mental health worker (not a bunch of imbosiles as some of you sick heartless individuals seem to assume)
He never came home! He never came home because he was killed. The facts are:- Yes they did get lost, they took a wrong turn into an open field. A stubble field. No crops, no anmimals no gates. They drove around the edge of this stinking feild looking for an exit, when they realised there wasn't one they turned their bikes around to leave. At that point they saw a 4X4 tearing towards them. Not liking the speed at which this vehicle was approaching they continued to leave the field.
The vehicle continued at high speed and chased after them, it chased them and chased them pushing them off this persons land and back onto it. In the dock he admitted driving into my husband. He may not have got up that morning with the intent to kill someone but the moment he continued driving at them that was his intention. He was asked the question "why didn't you stop when they left the field" his answer "they were on my land"
His actions killed my husband, but because this individual is of "good character" they find him not guilty. Well in my book the law just said - you get lost, you take a wrong turn onto someone's land you get your loaded gun or 4X4 and you go ahead and wipe that person out. The law now says it's fine to do that so go ahead Farmer Giles - fill your boots.
All the true and honest people are the ones who can see just what that man did that day, all the people who seem to think the actions of that farmer are justified should be ashamed of yourselves. How dare you even think you can make a judgement or comment on something so serious in such a blaze manner. Come knock on my door and I'll show you just what he did, I'll show you just what he took away.
FYI, Not at any time in the past 16 months has that man shown one single bit of remorse, Not one single apologetic word has come from his mouth. So if this was an accident would'nt you be sorry, wouldn't you be mortified that your accidental actions took a life. He's not, and never has been sorry so how the hell was it ever an accident. I'll tell you the type of person him and his friends are:- They are this so called group of upstanding pillars of the community they not only tried to intimidate me in court on a daily basis, they looked at my family with smug grins across their faces when the verdict was read out. When two of the riders walked past the farmer in court he in turn looked directly at them and smiled. What did any of us ever do? My husband didnt deserve to die in such a violent and painful manner, no one deserves that. I don't deserve to spend the rest of my life without him and to be frank and honest with you all I don't want to. I'd give my last breath away right now to someone in this world fighting to live if it meant I could be with my husband.
Where's the justice in any of that. The law stinks and so do those who stand here and justify the actions of a man who has deliberatley taken a life and got off scott free.
Edited by VinceFox on Thursday 1st March 08:10
Thank you Mrs G for your post. I am truly sorry for what happened to your husband. I'll think about you today while I'm at work in my workshop.
I realise there are two sides to every story, but I have to say that I am surprised to learn that a vehicle can be driven in such a manner that it ends up on it's side with someone underneath it who dies as a result, and no fault is found with the driving or actions of the driver. I'm struggling to understand how an honest court can come to that conclusion.
I realise there are two sides to every story, but I have to say that I am surprised to learn that a vehicle can be driven in such a manner that it ends up on it's side with someone underneath it who dies as a result, and no fault is found with the driving or actions of the driver. I'm struggling to understand how an honest court can come to that conclusion.
UnderTheRadar said:
A lot of rhetoric about but it could easily have been that the biker drove at him and the farmer was swerving to avoid the bike. Given some of the statements in here it's not hard to believe and the attitude doesn't help biking.
I do hope you'll include yourself in those that should be ashamed of themselves.Condolences MRSG.
MrOrange said:
I'd like, also, to offer you my deepest condolences MrsG.
It is a terrible tragedy and in my opinion a gross miscarriage of justice that the farmer has got away scot free. I am appalled that "good character" is a viable defence for what he has done.
Absolutely.It is a terrible tragedy and in my opinion a gross miscarriage of justice that the farmer has got away scot free. I am appalled that "good character" is a viable defence for what he has done.
As said MrsG, i would like to extend my sincerest condolences and best wishes. At the end of the day, private land or no, there is no excuse for taking another persons life. And believe this, Karma is a sh!t. Farmer Giles will surely get his.
The justice system has failed Gary Greaves and his family. Those of you that defended Timothy Wolfe's actions, after reading Mrs. Greaves post, should be ashamed of yourselves. Despite your ignorance of the facts and reactionary comments, your instincts were wrong.
mrsg - You have my deepest condolences, please ignore any horrible things you read about the tragic loss of your husband. These people know nothing of your husband or the events of that day, it is just mindless internet drivel.
mrsg - You have my deepest condolences, please ignore any horrible things you read about the tragic loss of your husband. These people know nothing of your husband or the events of that day, it is just mindless internet drivel.
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