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S3_Graham said:
really?? the commander being the small one low to the ground?? saw one this morning pulling into work!!!
According to the "Times" indeed and sad if absolutely true? Never seen one don't so know about the small ones etc etc.....
Edited by Vipers on Wednesday 18th February 11:20
thats strange as you havent been able to order a Euro spec viper from a UK dealership for years, go to dodge.co.uk there's no mention of a viper for sale
The total viper 08 production was sold out in about 3 months last year, they only make about 100 per month, the Viper was the only vehicle that increased in sales numbers for Chrylser in 2008, there's lots about it sales success on the net
http://autospider.blogspot.com/2008/11/dodge-viper...
The total viper 08 production was sold out in about 3 months last year, they only make about 100 per month, the Viper was the only vehicle that increased in sales numbers for Chrylser in 2008, there's lots about it sales success on the net
http://autospider.blogspot.com/2008/11/dodge-viper...
Edited by Viper on Wednesday 18th February 13:16
carl_w said:
Presumably this is in the UK and not worldwide?
Paper actually said "World Wide", make of that what you will, seems wrong though, mind although it is the Times, they are not right all the time are they? Edited by Vipers on Wednesday 18th February 15:31
Edited by Vipers on Wednesday 18th February 15:33
Vipers said:
Paper actually said "World Wide", make of that what you will, seems wrong though, mind although it is the Times, they are not right all the time are they?
It can't be true. The global downturn didn't really hit until the end of the year, and aside from the single SRT-10 I can't believe they only sold 22 Commanders in the whole world.Well I am totally confused now, the article I read was in the Times today at work, so thought I would nip in the shop tonight, buy one and copy and paste the article.
Looked through the paper, cant find it......
Either it was yesterdays paper, or wasn't the Times at all, will try to find out tomorrow, very confusing.
Looked through the paper, cant find it......
Either it was yesterdays paper, or wasn't the Times at all, will try to find out tomorrow, very confusing.
to save you the effort
http://jalopnik.com/5123906/chrysler-december-sale...
27,694 Commanders for the year
1,172 Vipers for the year
http://jalopnik.com/5123906/chrysler-december-sale...
27,694 Commanders for the year
1,172 Vipers for the year
Edited by Viper on Wednesday 18th February 18:24
From the Scotsman newspaper.IT ONLY APPLIES TO UK
American cars and electric models are biggest turn-offs in sales slump
Published Date: 18 February 2009
By ALASTAIR DALTON
TRANSPORT CORRESPONDENT
AMERICAN cars top the list of models whose sales plummeted the most last year, figures have shown.
Sales of two Chrysler models were virtually wiped out, while the collapse in the market for electric cars was confirmed.
The Jeep Commander 4x4, costing some £32,000, lost 97 per cent of its sales compared with 2007; a mere 22 were bought last year
. The Dodge SRT10 Viper coupe, a fellow Chrysler model, did even worse. Only one was sold – a 94 per cent reduction on the previous year.
Other big losers included the Seat Toledo hatchback, whose sales were down by 84 per cent to 61, and the Lexus SC coupe, down by 70 per cent to 60.
The figures, compiled by the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT), which represents car firms in the UK, showed the Reva G-Wiz electric car's sales nosedived by 85 per cent to 46.
Experts said the figures showed there had been too wide a range of models available during the economic downturn, and pointed out that those losing the most sales had high running costs, emissions and depreciation.
UK new car sales were down by 11 per cent last year, with the monthly decline accelerating to 31 per cent in January.
A string of job losses have been announced at car plants, with the 850 redundancies at BMW's Mini plant on Monday following 1,200 at Nissan, 850 at Ford and more than 1,000 elsewhere.
David Johns, the editor-in-chief of Auto Express magazine, which published the latest figures, said car firms would have to reduce their ranges.
He said: "Faced with these shocking sales figures, struggling manufacturers will surely have no option now but to streamline their model range, restricting motorists' choice to only the most popular cars."
A spokeswoman for the magazine stressed that cars which had been replaced by other models had not been included in the results.
Neil Greig, the director of policy and research for the Institute of Advanced Motorists' Motoring Trust, said: "Canny buyers have always been aware that depreciation is the biggest hidden cost when you buy a car, and they are clearly avoiding these models in droves. Add in the fact that most of these models have poor emissions and high running costs, and it is easy to see why they make the worst sellers.
"Car makers have produced far too many cars and they have also tried to put their brand on a car to fit every niche in the market. In the future, we will see much less choice, but at least buyers may not be saddled with an unsellable car.
"It also shows that electric cars have a long way to go before they can match the safety, comfort and convenience of a normal car."
Edmund King, the president of the AA, said: "The last six months have been tough for the motor industry, but some models have sold much better than others. Generally the newer, smaller, more fuel-efficient models, such as the Fiat 500, have done better than older, bigger, gas-guzzler models.
"Sales of the G-Wiz were probably hit by publicity generated from poor crash-test results, the fact there is only limited infrastructure available to plug the cars in on the street, and their limited range."
Chrysler said Jeep Commander sales had fallen last year because it had run down stock levels when switching its marketing focus to the Jeep Grand Cherokee. However, sales of that model also fell, by 47 per cent to 1,173. The company blamed the effect of the economic downturn on the 4x4 sector.
The firm said that, by contrast, sales of the Jeep Patriot, launched in mid-2007, had increased by 133 per cent last year to 2,160. It said Dodge Viper sales had fallen because the last one of the now-discontinued model had been sold last year.
American cars and electric models are biggest turn-offs in sales slump
Published Date: 18 February 2009
By ALASTAIR DALTON
TRANSPORT CORRESPONDENT
AMERICAN cars top the list of models whose sales plummeted the most last year, figures have shown.
Sales of two Chrysler models were virtually wiped out, while the collapse in the market for electric cars was confirmed.
The Jeep Commander 4x4, costing some £32,000, lost 97 per cent of its sales compared with 2007; a mere 22 were bought last year
. The Dodge SRT10 Viper coupe, a fellow Chrysler model, did even worse. Only one was sold – a 94 per cent reduction on the previous year.
Other big losers included the Seat Toledo hatchback, whose sales were down by 84 per cent to 61, and the Lexus SC coupe, down by 70 per cent to 60.
The figures, compiled by the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT), which represents car firms in the UK, showed the Reva G-Wiz electric car's sales nosedived by 85 per cent to 46.
Experts said the figures showed there had been too wide a range of models available during the economic downturn, and pointed out that those losing the most sales had high running costs, emissions and depreciation.
UK new car sales were down by 11 per cent last year, with the monthly decline accelerating to 31 per cent in January.
A string of job losses have been announced at car plants, with the 850 redundancies at BMW's Mini plant on Monday following 1,200 at Nissan, 850 at Ford and more than 1,000 elsewhere.
David Johns, the editor-in-chief of Auto Express magazine, which published the latest figures, said car firms would have to reduce their ranges.
He said: "Faced with these shocking sales figures, struggling manufacturers will surely have no option now but to streamline their model range, restricting motorists' choice to only the most popular cars."
A spokeswoman for the magazine stressed that cars which had been replaced by other models had not been included in the results.
Neil Greig, the director of policy and research for the Institute of Advanced Motorists' Motoring Trust, said: "Canny buyers have always been aware that depreciation is the biggest hidden cost when you buy a car, and they are clearly avoiding these models in droves. Add in the fact that most of these models have poor emissions and high running costs, and it is easy to see why they make the worst sellers.
"Car makers have produced far too many cars and they have also tried to put their brand on a car to fit every niche in the market. In the future, we will see much less choice, but at least buyers may not be saddled with an unsellable car.
"It also shows that electric cars have a long way to go before they can match the safety, comfort and convenience of a normal car."
Edmund King, the president of the AA, said: "The last six months have been tough for the motor industry, but some models have sold much better than others. Generally the newer, smaller, more fuel-efficient models, such as the Fiat 500, have done better than older, bigger, gas-guzzler models.
"Sales of the G-Wiz were probably hit by publicity generated from poor crash-test results, the fact there is only limited infrastructure available to plug the cars in on the street, and their limited range."
Chrysler said Jeep Commander sales had fallen last year because it had run down stock levels when switching its marketing focus to the Jeep Grand Cherokee. However, sales of that model also fell, by 47 per cent to 1,173. The company blamed the effect of the economic downturn on the 4x4 sector.
The firm said that, by contrast, sales of the Jeep Patriot, launched in mid-2007, had increased by 133 per cent last year to 2,160. It said Dodge Viper sales had fallen because the last one of the now-discontinued model had been sold last year.
Viper said:
i do remember that in October 08 all the chrysler dealerships in the UK only sold 48 new vehicles, thats pretty bad
Chrysler actually sold 138 and Jeep 122 in October 08.Cadillac only sold 8 and Hummer 7 in that period.There were several others also with worse figures than Chrysler/Jeep.
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