Broken bolt
Broken bolt
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biper

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2,097 posts

246 months

Thursday 24th May 2012
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Strange one this.
On returning from Santa Pod on the M25 there was a clatter clatter noise, knocked the engine off and coasted onto the hard shoulder.
Having had a problem of it throwing belts at S/P I had a clue of what it might be.
TCLSS the head of the crank pulley bolt has snapped off leaving the thread inside the crank. Got 'Thread Wizard' coming round this eve to have a look. I'm hoping the job can be done with the engine in situ.
I have never heard of this happening before.


Barkychoc

7,848 posts

233 months

Thursday 24th May 2012
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I think the crank pulley bolt can come loose - if thats happened then you might be lucky and get the thread out easily if its not tight.

haircutmike

22,459 posts

233 months

Thursday 24th May 2012
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I'm guessing the bolt loosened,the pully wobbled and said wobble strained the bolt and snapped the head off.

If so, threaded section should remove easily!

Are you removing the Y piece to make things easier?

Good luck anyhow....

CHGRIFF

326 posts

281 months

Thursday 24th May 2012
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This is a common fault and had same situation with my Griff 500 when on track day. Head of bolt snaps off due to fatigue stress failure. If you look at the remaining bolt when removed you can see signs of aged cracking, a problem waiting to happen. This is not because the bolt has loosened. In mine and most cases, the remaining bolt can simply be unscewed with fingers or simple tool. Can be a major problem i'm told requiring crank removal in worst cases.
I believe this bolt costs around £4 and change mine at regular service intervals now to eliminate the risk of failure.
With the engines getting older and having sure signs of fatigue, I would suggest every owner changes the bolt at sometime rather than waiting for this problem to occur.
Pretty sure its mainly 5.0 litre engines that have this issue.
Hope yours comes out.



biper

Original Poster:

2,097 posts

246 months

Thursday 24th May 2012
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Hi Peter
Was thinking of taking the Y piece off the just to make things easier. Will I need a puller type thing to remove the pulley or will I be able to tease it off with vaious bars and screw drivers?

CHGRIFF

326 posts

281 months

Thursday 24th May 2012
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Pulley should either fall off or simply remove by tapping. Not essential to remove Y piece.

biper

Original Poster:

2,097 posts

246 months

Thursday 24th May 2012
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Thanks for the reply, I will be having a go this evening. Here's hoping that it will just unscrew.
Will the 'key' need replacing.
Barrie

dbv8

8,676 posts

249 months

Thursday 24th May 2012
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My guess is that bolt has been cracking through slowly and thats why your pulley developed enough wobble to throw the belt at the pod. I think Alex probably finished it off by trying to tighten it smile
Either way it would have dropped off sooner or later, good you heard it and stopped the car quickly.
Hopefully the key and crank will be fine.
As said with a bit of luck the rest of the bolt may come out easily. New bolt and washer in place job done. Try ang have a go at it before the Wizard charges you. cool

Alexdaredevilz

5,697 posts

208 months

Thursday 24th May 2012
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That's right, blame the guy who tired to help.........

How I looked at it was, it was knackered and going to fall off/snap at some stage

So might aswel try and get him home

Get that swirl pot bracket/brace off (4xbolts) pull the pulley off I can't see any reason why it wouldn't just pull off using your hands

Then either cry or celebrate


CHGRIFF

326 posts

281 months

Thursday 24th May 2012
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15 min job and £4, or 3 week job and ££££££££££££££££££££££
Have know engines being taken out to give access to crank end to remove bolt. Thats why its better for all to take heed and change the bolt when they are years old. Learnt my lesson, but got off lightly even if on the back of an AA truck.
Hope all goes well.

biper

Original Poster:

2,097 posts

246 months

Friday 25th May 2012
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Took the pulley off last night and the bolt is well and truly stuck. It has snapped inside the crank so no matter how much prodding and turning it wouldn't budge. So Monday afternoon the Thread Wizard is coming round to have go.
Isn't it typical, glorious sunshine an car sat in the garage. Ho hum it is the first time in four years that it has been off the road.

haircutmike

22,459 posts

233 months

Friday 25th May 2012
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Sorry to hear that Barry.

Could it be the result of the extra power?

Now you're on the slow slippery slope of fiddling!

biper

Original Poster:

2,097 posts

246 months

Monday 28th May 2012
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woohoo The bolt is out. £110 to the Tread Wizard but worth it.

dbv8

8,676 posts

249 months

Monday 28th May 2012
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Excellent news.
I wont charge you the same hourly rate tonight dont worry winklaugh

haircutmike

22,459 posts

233 months

Monday 28th May 2012
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Well done Barry, a retighten and check of mine is on the list after your bad luck!

dbv8

8,676 posts

249 months

Monday 28th May 2012
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haircutmike said:
Well done Barry, a retighten and check of mine is on the list after your bad luck!
Or swap for a new one maybe. Only a few quid unless you buy from a so called TVR specialist at over a tenner delivered rolleyes

biper

Original Poster:

2,097 posts

246 months

Monday 28th May 2012
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Nearly £20 with the washer delivered.

biper

Original Poster:

2,097 posts

246 months

Friday 6th July 2012
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Finally got the new pulley back from balancing today, thanks to Chessman Engineering. This broken bolt has been a bloody saga and has cost in excess of £600. Consisting of:-
New bolt and washer
New oil pump drive gear (this had jumped over the woodruff key)
New pulley
Balancing of Pulley
Gaskets
New woodruff key
New Vernier and duplex timing chain
Retrieving broken bolt from crank
Crank oil seal
Oil Change
Postage

Check your bolt or replace it as a matter of course at your next service.

haircutmike

22,459 posts

233 months

Friday 6th July 2012
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woohoo, got her going Barrie?

dbv8

8,676 posts

249 months

Friday 6th July 2012
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haircutmike said:
woohoo, got her going Barrie?
I dont think its all back together yet Peter.
Wice words about the bolt Barrie, shame you learned the hard way like a lot of us tend to rolleyes

Dont forget the spacer behind the bolt washer when putting the pulley back teacher