Push or pull - does it matter?
Push or pull - does it matter?
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Bassfiend

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5,530 posts

276 months

Tuesday 21st August 2012
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Been thinking about replacing the fans on my radiator as mine are a bit old ... is there any disadvantage to putting the fans on the front of the rad and getting "blow" fans instead of "suck" ones?

Phil

Alexdaredevilz

5,697 posts

205 months

Tuesday 21st August 2012
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The fact the fans will be fighting the air as you drive?

Russell Mc

573 posts

177 months

Tuesday 21st August 2012
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It's more efficient for the fans to pull through the rad rather than push through

Mark_S_24

405 posts

202 months

Tuesday 21st August 2012
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If you put the Fan infront of the radiator to drag it through, I would have thought it would disturb the airflow, don't think I've ever seen any manufacturer put it infront of the raditor.
So I would assume putting it to the rear to pull it through is more efficient.

Mark

Bassfiend

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5,530 posts

276 months

Tuesday 21st August 2012
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Alexdaredevilz said:
The fact the fans will be fighting the air as you drive?
Why will they?

You get fans that pull air the opposite direction to allow for the front mounting rather than the rear mounting location so they still pass air the same direction through the rad and mine have no shrouds / cowlings so there *SHOULD* be no loss of airflow...

Phil

Alexdaredevilz

5,697 posts

205 months

Tuesday 21st August 2012
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I thought you meant have the stock fans pushing air out the grill, sorry

Bassfiend

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5,530 posts

276 months

Tuesday 21st August 2012
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Alexdaredevilz said:
I thought you meant have the stock fans pushing air out the grill, sorry
I'm not as daft as I look... wink

Phil

Bassfiend

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5,530 posts

276 months

Tuesday 21st August 2012
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Russell Mc said:
It's more efficient for the fans to pull through the rad rather than push through
...and...

Mark_S_24 said:
If you put the Fan infront of the radiator to drag it through, I would have thought it would disturb the airflow, don't think I've ever seen any manufacturer put it infront of the raditor.
So I would assume putting it to the rear to pull it through is more efficient.
I can understand that it is more efficient if you have the cowling round the fans as I've seen in some cars but mine aren't cowled - they're just bolted to plates that attach to the top and bottom of the radiator and are just held snug against the radiator core.

I think it's gotta be worh a Google - they're 12" Spal's aren't they?

Phil

Alexdaredevilz

5,697 posts

205 months

Tuesday 21st August 2012
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Bassfiend said:
I'm not as daft as I look... wink

Phil
That could of been a REAL disaster

Bassfiend

Original Poster:

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276 months

Tuesday 21st August 2012
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Alexdaredevilz said:
Bassfiend said:
I'm not as daft as I look... wink

Phil
That could of been a REAL disaster
/me wonders whether to suggest to Alex that we go out for a recreational drive...

...but of course you can't. :P

Phil

Ribol

11,917 posts

284 months

Tuesday 21st August 2012
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Why would you want the motors, blades and mountings getting in the way of the air hitting the rad core, somewhat defeating the object of the airflow?

phillpot

17,491 posts

209 months

Tuesday 21st August 2012
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Ribol said:
Why would you want the motors, blades and mountings getting in the way of the air hitting the rad core, somewhat defeating the object of the airflow?
Maybe, but that's what TVR did with the S Series cars (S1 may have been behind rad?)

Behind the rad they will still restrict air flow, what comes in has got to get out scratchchin




Ignore the damage............



slideways

4,101 posts

247 months

Tuesday 21st August 2012
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Pull fans are more efficient, even moreso with a cowling, push fans less efficient, but if like me you don't have the room to have twin fans and a cowling behind the rad then a large fan in front and a standard size one behind using a push pull arrangement is the way forward,
Fans don't really do anything above 30 mph it's only when slow moving or stationary

Simon says

19,393 posts

247 months

Tuesday 21st August 2012
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Ribol said:
Why would you want the motors, blades and mountings getting in the way of the air hitting the rad core, somewhat defeating the object of the airflow?
yes Hence why most cars that have them in front of the rad use dual fans i.e Citroen/Peugeot even the non AC models so what does this tell you when everything else uses 1 for non AC and behind rad scratchchin they are not going to fit an extra fan unless they thought it necessary confused behind the rad gets my vote thumbup in front the blades will just deflect the incoming air into the nose sides/corners rather than straight through the matrix/core wink


Edited by Simon says on Tuesday 21st August 23:05

charlie vrs

99 posts

188 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2012
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I had serious cooling problems on kit car with a high capacity fan on the front of the radiator. Eventually I spoke to an fan expert , Alan Fereday at Fereday Cars, who told me that it is always better to fit a fan behind the radiator. This because the fan in front of the radiator will only ever allow the rated flow rate of the fan through the radiator. To prove it he suggested I take the fan off the car and drive it. I was amazed as this was the first time the car ran under 90 degrees C.

I ended up fitting a new fan on the back of the radiator that was rated at only 2/3 of the original fans flow rate and never had a problem with overheating again.

Bassfiend

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5,530 posts

276 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2012
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charlie vrs said:
I had serious cooling problems on kit car with a high capacity fan on the front of the radiator. Eventually I spoke to an fan expert , Alan Fereday at Fereday Cars, who told me that it is always better to fit a fan behind the radiator. This because the fan in front of the radiator will only ever allow the rated flow rate of the fan through the radiator. To prove it he suggested I take the fan off the car and drive it. I was amazed as this was the first time the car ran under 90 degrees C.

I ended up fitting a new fan on the back of the radiator that was rated at only 2/3 of the original fans flow rate and never had a problem with overheating again.
Fair enough - there's some real-world experience ...

...pull it stays then. biggrin

Phil

Ribol

11,917 posts

284 months

Thursday 23rd August 2012
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Bassfiend said:
Fair enough - there's some real-world experience ...
What do you think TVR had?

Why do people always assume they have spotted something TVR didn't think of?

900T-R

20,406 posts

283 months

Thursday 23rd August 2012
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Ribol said:
Why do people always assume they have spotted something TVR didn't think of?
The probability that they have? tongue outwinkbiggrin

Ribol

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284 months

Thursday 23rd August 2012
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900T-R said:
Ribol said:
Why do people always assume they have spotted something TVR didn't think of?
The probability that they think they have because they don't know any better? tongue outwinkbiggrin
EFA

900T-R

20,406 posts

283 months

Thursday 23rd August 2012
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It's a toss up between Blackpool and owners who was/is more inept at detail engineering, though. biggrin