Anyone want to fill a sump with water for me?

[Pupp]

Wondering if some kind soul with a tin sump off a serp handy (ideally with the hammered front end) would mind filling it with 6.5 litres of water and posting up the distance between the gasket face and the fluid level please? A pic would be handy too.

Serious request - trying to ascertain where the resting oil level sits so as to accommodate an oil return port that's not supposed to be submerged.

Maybe this info is already out there....

[TVR Beaver]

I suppose I could do this... My sump is off.. has a hammered front etc.... But how much will stay in the filter etc??

[QBee]

How appropriate to have a TVR Beaver to fill the sump with water.!
Will you have to make allowances for the logs he feels obliged to insert first?

[Pupp]

TVR Beaver said:

I suppose I could do this... My sump is off.. has a hammered front etc.... But how much will stay in the filter etc??

Thanks; appreciated. I'm not concerned with the filter as my fill on change routine involves 6.5 plus filter 2/3 full... Also aware the level will reduce due to what gets pumped around etc; just looking for a working level as a benchmark that is unlikely to be exceeded.

[TVR Beaver]

'Dam'.. you've seen through my plan ....

seriously.. will do it tonight and post results

[Pupp]

Going to be miffed if over-tops!

[spend]

If you want a guaranteed location that is neither submerged or swamped (by swilling / surges) the best place is to drill+tap the boss for the cam sensor in the timing cover IMHO.

[Pupp]

It was my original intention to return via the front cover Dave but, without using a scavenge pump, it's just going to be too high unfortunately

[Discopotatoes]

I did this for my returns and I don't have any problems with drainage

[neal1980]

I did mine also 2 x 90degree bends to the top of the sump drivers side and this was fine.

Will be doing it again shortly

[TVR Beaver]

Okay... so 6 ltrs takes it to the plate in mine :-



and 6.5 ltrs just over :-



so to answer your question.. about 30mm from the top

[Pupp]

Thanks - that's once clean sump!

[Pupp]

neal1980 said:

I did mine also 2 x 90degree bends to the top of the sump drivers side and this was fine.

Will be doing it again shortly

Did you go in above the plate or weld on an extra receiver like DP Neal?

[macca]

Just a thought, and I don't know the answer to this, what displacement occurs when it is 6.5 litres of hot oil rather than cold water (assuming that's cold water in there)?

[TVR Beaver]

You think I'm going to boil it as well !!

[macca]

When are you next having chips? Fill it with corn oil and take a measurement just before you put them in

[Pupp]

The engine (and sump) will expand to accommodate

[spend]

Pupp said:

It was my original intention to return via the front cover Dave but, without using a scavenge pump, it's just going to be too high unfortunately

Too high? If its pressure fed what the heck does the height matter? In some ways a high return can be an advantage ~ oil won't drain away whilst stood & less air likely to get into the lines....

Unless you are pouring oil & depending on gravity I can't see why people fuss, although I agree returning into air and allowing oil to drop out is better than pumping airy oil into the sump.

[Pupp]

spend said:

Pupp said:

It was my original intention to return via the front cover Dave but, without using a scavenge pump, it's just going to be too high unfortunately

Too high? If its pressure fed what the heck does the height matter? In some ways a high return can be an advantage ~ oil won't drain away whilst stood & less air likely to get into the lines....

Unless you are pouring oil & depending on gravity I can't see why people fuss, although I agree returning into air and allowing oil to drop out is better than pumping airy oil into the sump.

I started off from that perspective too, but seems turbo seals don't like backed up oil...

[SILICONEKID350HP]

I`m totaly confused What am i looking at ? what is this thread all about ?