Heads, can you talk to me please.....
Discussion
After my (hopeful) house move is complete I should have a few spare pennies in my pocket for some more serious work on Winnie.
I have finally decided that instead of going down the MS/Canems route, I want to stick with the Lucas set up for a bit longer and instead do what I should have done in the first place, the heads. From speaking to a few people and reading some posts, my induction/cam work etc. will not be giving me it's full potential as I still have standard heads and I believe this is where most of my gains will come from and make the most of what I already have.
Anyway, ideally I want to be knocking in the door of 300-ish BHP of N/A power. Over to you guys, what spec should I be looking at, where should I look and do they often come up second hand?
Finally, is my dream of 300BHP do-able without really, really deep pockets?
Nick
I have finally decided that instead of going down the MS/Canems route, I want to stick with the Lucas set up for a bit longer and instead do what I should have done in the first place, the heads. From speaking to a few people and reading some posts, my induction/cam work etc. will not be giving me it's full potential as I still have standard heads and I believe this is where most of my gains will come from and make the most of what I already have.
Anyway, ideally I want to be knocking in the door of 300-ish BHP of N/A power. Over to you guys, what spec should I be looking at, where should I look and do they often come up second hand?
Finally, is my dream of 300BHP do-able without really, really deep pockets?
Nick
My take and this is only my opinion but it does come from 50 years of playing is if you still want a drivable car by which i mean a vehicle you can bimble down the shops deal with slow moving traffic etc. then wild cams mad heads high compression is not the way to go forced induction is the only way you end up with basically a standard engine for tootling around and a monster when let loose ideal all round.
John
John
The last post hints at a sinister effect on your pocket. Phazed's advice re £1k spent with Rob is good advice, but many changes require re-mapping of whatever ECU you have. I will assume you are not a mapping guru yourself.
Remapping a 14CUX involves Mark Adams. He's brilliant and not too expensive himself, but by the time you add three to four hours on the rolling road he uses, you are looking at £600-700 a remap, plus the cost of getting to/from Shrewsbury.
Remapping a Canems requires a trip to Wiltshire. I don't know the cost. I don't know if you can do it yourself. All I do know is that you need a rolling road to do it, and if Phazed doesn't do it himself, your remap requires an expert.
Tell me I am wrong, someone.
Remapping a 14CUX involves Mark Adams. He's brilliant and not too expensive himself, but by the time you add three to four hours on the rolling road he uses, you are looking at £600-700 a remap, plus the cost of getting to/from Shrewsbury.
Remapping a Canems requires a trip to Wiltshire. I don't know the cost. I don't know if you can do it yourself. All I do know is that you need a rolling road to do it, and if Phazed doesn't do it himself, your remap requires an expert.
Tell me I am wrong, someone.
Eann Whalley turbo:
The turbo which is oil and water cooled including manifold, external wastegate, dump valve, intercooler and plumbing no ECU £2850.
With a new ecu, adaptor cable to plug into the original wiring, injectors, raising rate fuel regulator and base map for fueling is £3850.
The turbo which is oil and water cooled including manifold, external wastegate, dump valve, intercooler and plumbing no ECU £2850.
With a new ecu, adaptor cable to plug into the original wiring, injectors, raising rate fuel regulator and base map for fueling is £3850.
Thanks for the replies folks 
I do love this place sometimes, I get an idea and using my (very) small amount of knowledge it seems to make sense, one post on here on the other hand, and my plan doesn't seem quite so straight forward
I knew mapping would be needed, but is it needed at the same time? My plan was always to go MS/Canems at some point anyway, I just decided to throw the heads into the mix to make use of what I already have, an enlarged plenum and uprated injectors were also going to be joining the party.
It is a case of what order I should be doing these things in, my pockets will not allow it in one go, as much as I'd like them too
I do love this place sometimes, I get an idea and using my (very) small amount of knowledge it seems to make sense, one post on here on the other hand, and my plan doesn't seem quite so straight forward
I knew mapping would be needed, but is it needed at the same time? My plan was always to go MS/Canems at some point anyway, I just decided to throw the heads into the mix to make use of what I already have, an enlarged plenum and uprated injectors were also going to be joining the party.
It is a case of what order I should be doing these things in, my pockets will not allow it in one go, as much as I'd like them too
NickM450 said:
Thanks for the replies folks
I do love this place sometimes, I get an idea and using my (very) small amount of knowledge it seems to make sense, one post on here on the other hand, and my plan doesn't seem quite so straight forward
I knew mapping would be needed, but is it needed at the same time? My plan was always to go MS/Canems at some point anyway, I just decided to throw the heads into the mix to make use of what I already have, an enlarged plenum and uprated injectors were also going to be joining the party.
It is a case of what order I should be doing these things in, my pockets will not allow it in one go, as much as I'd like them too
If you are going to do it, would you not be best doing it all at once? If you won't make the gain from your new heads without a map, it is probably best to save the money and then try and negotiate a better deal for a larger purchase?I do love this place sometimes, I get an idea and using my (very) small amount of knowledge it seems to make sense, one post on here on the other hand, and my plan doesn't seem quite so straight forward
I knew mapping would be needed, but is it needed at the same time? My plan was always to go MS/Canems at some point anyway, I just decided to throw the heads into the mix to make use of what I already have, an enlarged plenum and uprated injectors were also going to be joining the party.
It is a case of what order I should be doing these things in, my pockets will not allow it in one go, as much as I'd like them too
Talk to Rob. It may run without a remap, he will know .........but it either will or won't. I had a new engine from Rob, and a best guess chip from Mark Adams. Was overfuelling low down, went horribly lean above 4500 rpm. Cost me the best part of a grand to get it right, trying local rolling roads and then going back to MA for a custom chip and proper mapping. Not anyone's fault, especially not Rob's. You just need to factor in the mapping and the mapper whenever you change the set up of your engine. Otherwise it's like buying a new computer and expecting it to work on your company's office network without beng set up and customised to their settings. NAFC.
CANEMS Is a great system I hear. The actual kit is well under £1000 I think. The complete job, new loom, ECU and mapping by the Lloyds costs £2100. Drive in, two weeks later, drive out, perfect system. Half the money pays for their labour and mapping expertise. And your peace of mind and not spending weeks and £££s trying to sort it out.
Every time you change major bits on the engine, you need a remap. And that means paying for an expert. Or fiddling with it yourself without 20 years experience. And then paying an expert!!
It's supposed to be fun.....!
CANEMS Is a great system I hear. The actual kit is well under £1000 I think. The complete job, new loom, ECU and mapping by the Lloyds costs £2100. Drive in, two weeks later, drive out, perfect system. Half the money pays for their labour and mapping expertise. And your peace of mind and not spending weeks and £££s trying to sort it out.
Every time you change major bits on the engine, you need a remap. And that means paying for an expert. Or fiddling with it yourself without 20 years experience. And then paying an expert!!
It's supposed to be fun.....!
QBee said:
The last post hints at a sinister effect on your pocket. Phazed's advice re £1k spent with Rob is good advice, but many changes require re-mapping of whatever ECU you have. I will assume you are not a mapping guru yourself.
Remapping a 14CUX involves Mark Adams. He's brilliant and not too expensive himself, but by the time you add three to four hours on the rolling road he uses, you are looking at £600-700 a remap, plus the cost of getting to/from Shrewsbury.
Remapping a Canems requires a trip to Wiltshire. I don't know the cost. I don't know if you can do it yourself. All I do know is that you need a rolling road to do it, and if Phazed doesn't do it himself, your remap requires an expert.
Tell me I am wrong, someone.
You're wrong Remapping a 14CUX involves Mark Adams. He's brilliant and not too expensive himself, but by the time you add three to four hours on the rolling road he uses, you are looking at £600-700 a remap, plus the cost of getting to/from Shrewsbury.
Remapping a Canems requires a trip to Wiltshire. I don't know the cost. I don't know if you can do it yourself. All I do know is that you need a rolling road to do it, and if Phazed doesn't do it himself, your remap requires an expert.
Tell me I am wrong, someone.
I would wait until you can afford the lot and then you are only paying for mapping once. If you can fit the ecu yourself you will save a lot. I fitted an Emerald, made a new loom and got it mapped all for not much more than 1k.
Mark Adams will work out dear. Speak to Jools. Spitfire4v8. Very talented guy and will re map an aftermarket ecu for £250.
Mark Adams will work out dear. Speak to Jools. Spitfire4v8. Very talented guy and will re map an aftermarket ecu for £250.
Unfortunately I am one of those owners that is completely inept at spannering 
I just don't have the knowledge or cojones to do anything myself so it's a visit to my local guy.
I guess I will wait for the house to complete and see what the solicitors leave me with I would very much like to do it all in one hit, but I'm guessing that's gonna come in at £3000+ 
Mind you, if she runs 'ok' with the new heads minus new management then that will suffice until the bank account has recovered
I just don't have the knowledge or cojones to do anything myself so it's a visit to my local guy.
I guess I will wait for the house to complete and see what the solicitors leave me with
I would very much like to do it all in one hit, but I'm guessing that's gonna come in at £3000+ Mind you, if she runs 'ok' with the new heads minus new management then that will suffice until the bank account has recovered
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