Drivers Window stuck up
Drivers Window stuck up
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Malcster

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647 posts

201 months

Saturday 1st March 2014
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Hey guys, as it say really.
Better up than open though!

Pulled the speaker off, and I can feel the motor 'click' ie. it's getting power, just siezed up somehow.

Can I remove the motor, and clean/lube the cogs/wheels inside?

Oldred_V8S

3,764 posts

268 months

Sunday 2nd March 2014
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Disconnect the motor and run a flying lead from the battery directly to it. This will tell you if the issue is with the motor/ lifter mechanism or the shyte wiring/switch.

If the motor does not operate, reverse the connections from the flying lead. Hope that makes sense.

Malcster

Original Poster:

647 posts

201 months

Sunday 2nd March 2014
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Will give it a punt, and get back to you!
Cheers!

EGB

1,774 posts

187 months

Sunday 2nd March 2014
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Exactly the same happen to me. Try old fashioned wiggle of the window glass to release. This can be a big frustrating job to solve. First try dry silicone spray in window guides when and if movement is resumed. This is the easy fix.
I ended up taking out the whole motor arm assembly. The motor can be released from the gearbox (two small screws) and the motor screw drive inspected and lubricated with Servisol silicone grease. My gearbox was full of the remains of old greasy saw dust like old TVR grease. My motor drive was pitted and corroded. US . Ended up for £100 for arm and motor from Douglas Valley. It was a good one, lucky me, this time.
You could also try releasing the motor cover without taking out the arm assembly and giving the motor armature a half turn to get it to release and turn. With the window fully up you can get at the motor. Good luck.

Malcster

Original Poster:

647 posts

201 months

Sunday 2nd March 2014
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Bah, looks like the motor is jammed somehow. Tried taking a fly-lead from the battery directly to it, still clicks as with using the switch, but again, still no movement.

Are there any pics of the motor anywhere? Just to get an idea of where any screws are, to remove the cover, and try freeing it off and giving it a lube & clean.

I'll try and give it a go in-situ - the window is up, and I can get my hand around the back of the motor itself.

Cider Andy

1,889 posts

255 months

Sunday 2nd March 2014
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You can lubricate the worm drive that lifts the window. It's like a spring in a long metal tube that's split end to end. Get a can of 3-in-1 lithium grease spray, extend the tube with some electrical earth sleeving. If your arms are small enough you can reach the whole length of the worm drive with one hand whilst operating the aerosol with the other.

This obviously means removing the door card first; there are plenty of threads here about how to do that.

EGB

1,774 posts

187 months

Sunday 2nd March 2014
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Door card and armrest off first, window up for access to motor. Two small screws at base of the motor cover, unscrew with small electric screw driver. Lift cover gently a little way against the magnetism. Give the armature a half turn to free. Screw cover back on. Hope it works for a while? Perhaps longer/hope with Servisol lithium grease. Armature and gearbox drive can be pulled out of the gearbox for inspection after lifting the cover. Door card removal can be a pain. After repeats I can now do it in 5 mins.
The 1/8 nut behind the back of motor can be reached just. The two forward ones are ok. Replace nuts with wing nuts. On my Griff there is also a posidrive behind the ashtray and another one behind the door reflector. And a series along the top edge of the card. When putting the card back on leave out the difficult nut behind behind the motor. The two forward ones are enough.



Edited by EGB on Sunday 2nd March 15:05

Malcster

Original Poster:

647 posts

201 months

Sunday 2nd March 2014
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Well, I took the door card off (still off), lubed up the worm drive in the center of the door, and loosened off the bolts holding the motor in place.

Gave the motor a pretty vigorous shake, while pressing the switch. The window sprung back into life. Wound it down, and half-up a few times without issue, yay!

However, as soon as I wound it right up to the very top, it was stuck again.

Shake the motor for a while, and eventually it sprung back into life. Again, wound it back to the very top, and it was stuck again.

I tried adjusting the screw at the top of the door to adjust the window height, and even if I dropped it a couple or raised it a few millimeters, it would still stick at the top of its travel, regardless.

Bit weird. Anyway, I left it as is for the mean time, as it was raining and cold!

Any more suggestions?
I wonder if the frame is out of alignment somehow?


EGB

1,774 posts

187 months

Sunday 2nd March 2014
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Mine did the same but eventually even stuck half way and fully down. Douglas Valley to the rescue at a cost! . Clev Trevor did have one for £150. I did have a 1/2 rubber trim strip to prevent window going fully to the top and try to prevent it sticking. Worked until it started sticking half way up. Sorry,I think your gearbox may be full of crud, like mine. Servisol silicone grease said to waterproof and repel moisture, unlike the stuff used in the gear box.

Malcster

Original Poster:

647 posts

201 months

Sunday 2nd March 2014
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Okay thanks for that!

Do I need to remove the motor completely from the door to service it?

On the brass coloured section attached to the motor, that holds the worm, I found a screw and 2 bolts on the back of the motor, I loosened them, but it didn't feel like it would all push off from the motor itself? I assume they separate?

Is the small 'nub' in the center (that spins) also to be removed? Does it have a bolt head on it?

EGB

1,774 posts

187 months

Sunday 2nd March 2014
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Motor alone can be removed without taking the actuating arm off. After removing the cover, pull out the motor.from its gearbox. Gearbox is fixed to the arm I think and can only be opened by grinding off the rivets. Clean up the motor drive pin and examine for pitting and corrosion. Give it a good lube with silicon grease. Reinstall in gear box making sure the spring carbon brushes are pulled back to locate properly in the housing. With good luck you may enjoy more life from your window winder.