Jeffin ell!
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Chuffmeister

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3,597 posts

166 months

Wednesday 24th September 2014
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On my way home tonight and all of a sudden there was a squeel and a clunk, followed by the sound of something metallic hitting the road underneath. Pulled over at the service station only to find that the bolt has sheared from the JE alternator clamp tensioner. I'm now sitting in the BP at Dover awaiting recovery. Was looking forward to getting home and drinking a Leffe, but I've had to make do with a bag of licorice allsorts in the forecourt frown


Goaty Bill 2

3,592 posts

148 months

Wednesday 24th September 2014
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Chuffmeister said:
... drinking a Leffe, ...
She's done you a favour there!
Empirical proof that modifications are a bad thing frown

Hope you got home ok.

ChimpOnGas

9,637 posts

208 months

Wednesday 24th September 2014
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Goaty Bill 2 said:
She's done you a favour there!
Empirical proof that modifications are a bad thing frown

Hope you got home ok.
But isn't your engine heavily modified Goat Boy?

Empirical proof that you're a hypocrite hehe

phazed

22,471 posts

233 months

Wednesday 24th September 2014
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Has it just undone and dropped off?

Chuffmeister

Original Poster:

3,597 posts

166 months

Wednesday 24th September 2014
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Eclipse Recovery saved the old girl with a temporary fix (see below), which beats the back of a recovery truck. Got home about 02:00 sleep

Anyway, I'm not sure what happened to the old bolt, whether it came loose or the constant vibration caused a slight movement of the bracket. Together with the heat and pressure, the metal fatigue caused the bolt to fail and snap. I'm going to use a threaded bolt this time (like the temp fix) and secure it with locking nuts both ends and on each side of the bracket. This should reduce the small sideways vibrations on the area under load from the bracket and add a little support. I'll get a few spares too!

I was consiering removing the insert collars on the alternator, drilling the JE clamp and increasing the bolt size from 8mm to 10mm. Good/ bad/ indifferent idea?

Goaty, I'll light a candle for each modification and do 50 hail Trevors this morning! Dave on the other hand will need a 40ft container of candles, several packets of Tunes and a few weeks of hail Trevors before he can repent his mod sins!

Temp fix to bracket

phazed

22,471 posts

233 months

Wednesday 24th September 2014
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You only need a short bolt through the front part of the alternator.

Just use a good quality bolt, spacer and a Nyloc nut.

Had the one on the 4.6 for a few years now and the one on the 55 is fine using that method.

Sardonicus

19,447 posts

250 months

Wednesday 24th September 2014
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phazed said:
Has it just undone and dropped off?
Yep wink no way would that shear in that capacity nono it came loose and fell out guvor biggrin try another 8mm bolt and a K nut (lock nut)


Edited by Sardonicus on Wednesday 24th September 09:35

Chuffmeister

Original Poster:

3,597 posts

166 months

Wednesday 24th September 2014
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Okay, new bolt it and nylocs, plus Loctite it is! Thanks for the words of wisdom as always!

Sardonicus

19,447 posts

250 months

Wednesday 24th September 2014
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Chuffmeister said:
Okay, new bolt it and nylocs, plus Loctite it is! Thanks for the words of wisdom as always!
Put a stud fixing in the elongated part of the adjuster bracket too while your at it scratchchin this way when you adjust the bracket you don't disturb the water-pump gasket seal wink when paper gaskets age they only need you look at them before weeping occurs thumbup it goes stud washer half nut washer it also get rid on the gap at the top which can be seen in your shot

Sardonicus

19,447 posts

250 months

Wednesday 24th September 2014
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Chuffmeister said:
Okay, new bolt it and nylocs, plus Loctite it is! Thanks for the words of wisdom as always!
Put a stud fixing in the elongated part of the adjuster bracket too while your at it scratchchin this way when you adjust the bracket you don't disturb the water-pump gasket seal wink when paper gaskets age they only need you look at them before weeping occurs thumbup it goes stud washer half nut washer it also get rid on the gap at the top which can be seen in your shot

Hedgehopper

1,542 posts

273 months

Wednesday 24th September 2014
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That alternator bracket appears to be fitted the other way up compared to pic. in Hedgehopper post below..........

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

Sardonicus

19,447 posts

250 months

Wednesday 24th September 2014
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Hedgehopper said:
That alternator bracket appears to be fitted the other way up compared to pic. in Hedgehopper post below..........

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
you mean the wrong way in the other post laugh I tried a few permutations too whistle

Chuffmeister

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3,597 posts

166 months

Wednesday 24th September 2014
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Good idea, cheers Simon! And I agree, the banana bracket is most definitely the correct way around!

ChilliWhizz

12,422 posts

190 months

Wednesday 24th September 2014
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ChimpOnGas said:
Goaty Bill 2 said:
She's done you a favour there!
Empirical proof that modifications are a bad thing frown

Hope you got home ok.
But isn't your engine heavily modified Goat Boy?

Empirical proof that you're a hypocrite hehe
hehe

Pupp

12,958 posts

301 months

Wednesday 24th September 2014
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JE did warn me the brackets fracture if not lined up/spaced correctly. Not tested in use yet but mine is now tensioned with an 8mm marine turnbuckle in compression.

QBee

22,476 posts

173 months

Wednesday 24th September 2014
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Can some kind soul please tell me what's wrong with the TVR original alternator bracket? Mine has survived 90,000 miles with no issues. But I do love to modify.........just for the hell of it.

Pupp

12,958 posts

301 months

Wednesday 24th September 2014
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Nothing wrong with it mechanically but it's big lump, heavy, and results in the alternator being packaged less compactly than is otherwise possible. The JE replacement is very neat and minimalist (if prone to banana bracket debate) and has the added benefit of deleting the idler/tensioner pulley on non-AC cars.

QBee

22,476 posts

173 months

Wednesday 24th September 2014
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Thank you. Concise and informative.

Replaced my tensioner a couple of months ago - there was play in it. But it does have the benefit for numpties like me that it sets the tension correctly in the belt. ......though I first did that on my old Mini in 1971 without the aid of a tensioner, so no reason why I couldn't do it again now.

phazed

22,471 posts

233 months

Wednesday 24th September 2014
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QBee said:
Can some kind soul please tell me what's wrong with the TVR original alternator bracket? Mine has survived 90,000 miles with no issues. But I do love to modify.........just for the hell of it.
Neatness up the front end.





BTW, I like my banana bracket that way up!

Sardonicus

19,447 posts

250 months

Wednesday 24th September 2014
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phazed said:
Neatness up the front end.





BTW, I like my banana bracket that way up!
I can vouch for Peters front end eek seriously though both his 4.6 and 5.5 looked so tidy and bare you could almost mistake it for a V6 there is so much less clutter thumbup fit that bracket on properly though ya lazy sod