New cam...suggestions?
New cam...suggestions?
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steve1c

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341 posts

261 months

Wednesday 19th January 2005
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Having called into Peninsular after hearing a worrying noise, it seems my 500 needs a new cam. Should I get an identical new one or are there any modified (reliable!) other cams available? Any suggestions v.welcome.

Corin Denton

8,762 posts

297 months

Wednesday 19th January 2005
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Speak to V8 Developments here, give them a call and let them talk you through the cams with you.

www.v8developments.co.uk/

seasider

12,728 posts

278 months

Wednesday 19th January 2005
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Corin Denton said:
Speak to V8 Developments here, give them a call and let them talk you through the cams with you.

www.v8developments.co.uk/
MC2 gets my vote

steve1c

Original Poster:

341 posts

261 months

Wednesday 19th January 2005
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Cheers, they mentioned MC1 but not MC2, is there significant difference? I was interested to hear that 42k milleage is about average for a cam to go. Apparantly it's due to the valve springs being a bit too strong. Don't know much about engines, but I guess that would make sense. Penninsular have quoted just over a grand all in. Ouch! Feeling quite pissed off as only had it a few weeks.

HarryW

16,027 posts

298 months

Wednesday 19th January 2005
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steve1c said:
Cheers, they mentioned MC1 but not MC2, is there significant difference? I was interested to hear that 42k milleage is about average for a cam to go. Apparantly it's due to the valve springs being a bit too strong. Don't know much about engines, but I guess that would make sense. Penninsular have quoted just over a grand all in. Ouch! Feeling quite pissed off as only had it a few weeks.

Not sure where you are based but ask around for another quote to back off the price. Perhaps within the TVRCC if anyone local has had it done locally . As I'm not sure how much time it takes but as a layman with a rough understanding of whats involved I would have thoguht it to take around a days labour to do (any others like to add/subtract from that). Parts can't be more than £300. All IMHO etc.......
Certainly a year or so ago you would have been looking at nearer £700 all in.

Harry

Corin Denton

8,762 posts

297 months

Wednesday 19th January 2005
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steve1c said:
Penninsular have quoted just over a grand all in. Ouch! Feeling quite pissed off as only had it a few weeks.




Is the car in bits?

GreenV8S

31,017 posts

313 months

Wednesday 19th January 2005
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It is a day's labour plus about £450 in parts, so depending on the hourly rate you probably won't see much change out of a grand.

pebbledash

795 posts

295 months

Wednesday 19th January 2005
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GreenV8S said:
It is a day's labour plus about £450 in parts, so depending on the hourly rate you probably won't see much change out of a grand.


totaly agree.. just had an MC2 in my griff 500, fitted by penninsula.

MC2 full CAM kit from kent/V8 is £500 (including new chain and pully) and the days labour about £450-500..

shpub

8,507 posts

301 months

Wednesday 19th January 2005
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If you get a modified cam, the ECU will need chipping to match it so budget a Mark Adams Tornedo chip and rolling road session to the cam cost.

Cam's can often get a bit more expensive as the rockers may need replacing as well. The bible has some awful pictures of what can happen. I recoomend going to steel one if they have to be changed.

Steve
www.tvrbooks.co.uk

steve1c

Original Poster:

341 posts

261 months

Wednesday 19th January 2005
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Yes car is in bits :-( and a very sad empty space on my drive. What's worse is all the neighbours asking 'Where's your lovely new car then?'
The foreman from Penninsula is giving me a ring in the morning to have a chat about possible other cams such as the MC1 and 2 which has been suggested. The guy who I just spoke to said 4-5mm was worn off. What do they make cams from, toffee?

HarryW

16,027 posts

298 months

Wednesday 19th January 2005
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Once the hardened surface comes off a lobe then it isn't too many miles before the lobe will look like a round piece of metal .
Only issue with going to a wilder cam, apart from whata Steve mentioned about re-chipping , is do you have pocketed pistons to take the higher lift, probably yes, but you never know.

harry

sparkythecat

8,097 posts

284 months

Wednesday 19th January 2005
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steve1c said:
Yes car is in bits :-( and a very sad empty space on my drive. What's worse is all the neighbours asking 'Where's your lovely new car then?'
The foreman from Penninsula is giving me a ring in the morning to have a chat about possible other cams such as the MC1 and 2 which has been suggested. The guy who I just spoke to said 4-5mm was worn off. What do they make cams from, toffee?


IIRC you've only had it a few weeks. Where did you get it from.?
If there's no hope of any come back on the vendor, then that 4 or 5mm that's worn off should make it easier to stick it right up their ae

steve1c

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341 posts

261 months

Wednesday 19th January 2005
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Got it from garage near Warwick, non tvr. Sounded ok there, done 400-500 miles since. Tried to get them to cough up but they wernt interested. They refered to the warranty they gave me, but warranty people replied it only counts for broken parts,not worn parts. So looks like im unfairly stuffed!

Corin Denton

8,762 posts

297 months

Wednesday 19th January 2005
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Steve I really think you need to talk to Trading Standards or similar, there is no way the garage you got the car from shouldn't at least pay half the bill.

Take it to the top mate, don't just let them win!

steve1c

Original Poster:

341 posts

261 months

Wednesday 19th January 2005
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Yeah that might be an idea, hadn't thought of that...cheers Corin. Dont know much about that sort of thing but it could be woth a phone call at least.

chimtvr

1,315 posts

263 months

Wednesday 19th January 2005
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when did you buy it ??? any car sold my a motor trader from a forecourt has a three month warranty forget the insurance warranty they wont pay but the garage must
try citizens advice and trading standards

steve1c

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341 posts

261 months

Wednesday 19th January 2005
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Peninsular phoned the trader and put it to him that it had gone pear shaped in three weeks, he said its not up to him and passed peninsular onto the insurance people. How do I find the official info out to put it back in the traders court? Does seem out of order that a trader with a garage can do this. Bought it December 10th but picked it up December 22nd. Was making horrid noises by Jan 12th and in garage by 14th.

>> Edited by steve1c on Wednesday 19th January 20:56

chimtvr

1,315 posts

263 months

Wednesday 19th January 2005
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seriously i am a motor trader what i say is true although i repair cars im not a salesman which is why i tell the truth phone citizens advice they will help you for free!!!!

steve1c

Original Poster:

341 posts

261 months

Wednesday 19th January 2005
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Ok, I'll ring tomorrow and also tlak to peninsular about it, guess they should know the score too. Thanks.
Steve

mongoose

4,360 posts

284 months

Thursday 20th January 2005
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Corin Denton said:
Speak to V8 Developments here, give them a call and let them talk you through the cams with you.

www.v8developments.co.uk/
couldnt agree more here.these guys are superb to deal with and will answer all your questions.youll be able to choose from any no. of cams,and you WONT have to get the ecu re-mapped either.re-mapping just gets the best from your choice but its a great expence thats not compulsory if you cant afford it all in one hit, so dont let it influence your choice of cam too much.ive just chosen a h404 and am also having a few other little tweaks done at the same time,and not getting it re-mapped just yet(looking into a custom ecu for less cost!).i chose this cam as i didnt want to be looking at upgrading it again in the future and i wanted to retain hydraulic lifters.