14 CUX Alternarives
Discussion
S'pose the first question is why change it? Now the Lucas software's been hacked in the last couple of years and can be remapped any running problems could in theory be mapped out. You could get rid of the plug extenders and go through everything with a fine tooth comb for a few hundred quid and get a much smoother drive. But that does still leave 20 year old wiring and clockwork ignition. And new Lucas bits seem very poor quality - rotors, AFM, etc.
Option 2 : I've just got my Griff back from Joolz with an Emerald with decat maps and wideband lambda installed
My car has done less than 25k from new, and when warmed through and with everything spot on it would pull in 5th quite happily at low speeds, cope with traffic ok and generally drive ok. But from cold it was a pig, shunting badly. I've had it a couple of years - AFM, temp sensor, plug extenders, leads, rotor, cap, amplifier, coil, relays, ecu reboots, ECUMate, the whole 9 yards. I have the original ecu, loom and throttle pot - pretty much everything else has been swapped I think, as it was all original 20 year old factory bits probably with a bit of damp in them too. Has properly cut out on me twice, once stone-cold dead, needing a wiggle in the footwell to restart. If that had happened on an overtake...doesn't bear thinking about.
So - with a modern ECU - un-bloody-believable difference in smoothness and ease of driving in traffic. Probably not much improvement powerwise, but as a future-proof reliability exercise that will not only keep the engine happy but also protect the drivetrain and my sanity it's the best thing I've done on the car. You could argue remapping and 'decatting' the Lucas may have got somewhere close, but with the new wiring, reduced parts count and better timing method I'm very happy. Driving it while it's still warming up is now a totally different experience, a pleasure.
By the time I've sold my Lucas bits the cost to change to Emerald will start with a 1, not a 2.
The Emerald software looks very easy to use and allows the option of three different maps. I have an 'MOT' map aiming for 14.7 lambda, a best-performance map and an extra pops'n'bangs version - childish but great fun. I can't comment on reliability yet but the experience so far has been great, 100% consistency, admittedly over less than 100 miles so far.
I spent a loooong time procrastinating - should have just done it when I bought the car.
As well as Joolz at Kits and Classics there's also Lloyds/Canems and Power/MBE amongst others who can fit and map - the mapping in-house I reckon is essential - I'd get quotes from a couple and probably choose whoever is geographically closest to you.
http://www.kitsandclassics.co.uk/
Option 2 : I've just got my Griff back from Joolz with an Emerald with decat maps and wideband lambda installed
My car has done less than 25k from new, and when warmed through and with everything spot on it would pull in 5th quite happily at low speeds, cope with traffic ok and generally drive ok. But from cold it was a pig, shunting badly. I've had it a couple of years - AFM, temp sensor, plug extenders, leads, rotor, cap, amplifier, coil, relays, ecu reboots, ECUMate, the whole 9 yards. I have the original ecu, loom and throttle pot - pretty much everything else has been swapped I think, as it was all original 20 year old factory bits probably with a bit of damp in them too. Has properly cut out on me twice, once stone-cold dead, needing a wiggle in the footwell to restart. If that had happened on an overtake...doesn't bear thinking about.
So - with a modern ECU - un-bloody-believable difference in smoothness and ease of driving in traffic. Probably not much improvement powerwise, but as a future-proof reliability exercise that will not only keep the engine happy but also protect the drivetrain and my sanity it's the best thing I've done on the car. You could argue remapping and 'decatting' the Lucas may have got somewhere close, but with the new wiring, reduced parts count and better timing method I'm very happy. Driving it while it's still warming up is now a totally different experience, a pleasure.
By the time I've sold my Lucas bits the cost to change to Emerald will start with a 1, not a 2.
The Emerald software looks very easy to use and allows the option of three different maps. I have an 'MOT' map aiming for 14.7 lambda, a best-performance map and an extra pops'n'bangs version - childish but great fun. I can't comment on reliability yet but the experience so far has been great, 100% consistency, admittedly over less than 100 miles so far.
I spent a loooong time procrastinating - should have just done it when I bought the car.
As well as Joolz at Kits and Classics there's also Lloyds/Canems and Power/MBE amongst others who can fit and map - the mapping in-house I reckon is essential - I'd get quotes from a couple and probably choose whoever is geographically closest to you.
http://www.kitsandclassics.co.uk/
You'll get so many recommendations on here but as a general idea definitely yes, the best way to modernize these cars without taking anything away from character, appearance etc. My personal vote would be for Powers/MBE, not cheap but their man Jay is one of the best mappers in the business and if that system can run FI at huge power outouts with perfect safety for the engine it can run anything.
Powers MBE
Lloyds Canams
Kits and classics emerald.
They all do pretty much the same thing but the Mbe wiring loom is superior IMHO
It's not a cheap upgrade but over time you save on fuel and service costs let alone having a smoother running car.
Doing away with so many reliability issues does transform the cars ability and usefulness
for those that have had an aftermarket Ecu most will likely confirm it takes more than one mapping session to get it right, then there's road mapping to be done, this is why it's often a good idea to get it done as locally as possible, simply to save on time and money going back and forth.
Powers impressed me with the amount of work Jason and Dom put into the road mapping on top of the rolling road stuff.
This really meant the car was mapped from cold/hot to a fine degree when I collected the car, its not always the case that putting an after market Ecu will automatically cure shunting, this is where the skill of the mapper comes in.
Best money I've spent on the car.
Lloyds Canams
Kits and classics emerald.
They all do pretty much the same thing but the Mbe wiring loom is superior IMHO
It's not a cheap upgrade but over time you save on fuel and service costs let alone having a smoother running car.
Doing away with so many reliability issues does transform the cars ability and usefulness
for those that have had an aftermarket Ecu most will likely confirm it takes more than one mapping session to get it right, then there's road mapping to be done, this is why it's often a good idea to get it done as locally as possible, simply to save on time and money going back and forth.
Powers impressed me with the amount of work Jason and Dom put into the road mapping on top of the rolling road stuff.
This really meant the car was mapped from cold/hot to a fine degree when I collected the car, its not always the case that putting an after market Ecu will automatically cure shunting, this is where the skill of the mapper comes in.
Best money I've spent on the car.
TV8 said:
Hi Peter, if you are going to change the ecu, I would get a bigger cam and have the heads opened up as wide the wallet will allow at the same time. Save having it mapped twice and have a very rapid vehicle afterwards!
Morning Graham, I know what you mean but the wallet would take a massive hammering if I go that route. Not one I can easily justify I'm afraid. I'm really after smoother running, as it was a little 'all over the place' on yesterday's cold start and breckie run. (Where were you?) Some shunting too which is worse on occassions than others. I'm pretty happy overall with the performance but would like better warm up, predicatble engine revs when stopping, less shunting, etc. It's just been serviced too so I know all bits have been checked.Thank you to all for your input, particularly to andy43 who pretty much echos my thoughts. I know the boys at Lloyds pretty well and they do do a superb job - but it's so bloody far away! Not easy for return mapping sessions but I guess that's more reason to get it right the first time. I shall cogitate over winter....
Also thanks to Alun who sums up my thoughts as well. Keep 'em coming!
pb450 said:
TV8 said:
Hi Peter, if you are going to change the ecu, I would get a bigger cam and have the heads opened up as wide the wallet will allow at the same time. Save having it mapped twice and have a very rapid vehicle afterwards!
Morning Graham, I know what you mean but the wallet would take a massive hammering if I go that route. Not one I can easily justify I'm afraid. I'm really after smoother running, as it was a little 'all over the place' on yesterday's cold start and breckie run. (Where were you?) Some shunting too which is worse on occassions than others. I'm pretty happy overall with the performance but would like better warm up, predicatble engine revs when stopping, less shunting, etc. It's just been serviced too so I know all bits have been checked.Thank you to all for your input, particularly to andy43 who pretty much echos my thoughts. I know the boys at Lloyds pretty well and they do do a superb job - but it's so bloody far away! Not easy for return mapping sessions but I guess that's more reason to get it right the first time. I shall cogitate over winter....
Also thanks to Alun who sums up my thoughts as well. Keep 'em coming!
I'm going to have Dom fit an MBE on my 450 early spring time next year. I have just had Dan fit one of Dom's 885 camshafts as the old one was the original and VERY worn on 3 lobes upon inspection. At the same time I had a 72mm plenum fitted and next week it is due back to have ACT super flare trumpets, thermal plate on the plenum and the full ACT breathing kit from the filter back added into the equation. Already the car is better and only has very minimal shunting at low revs, something that the ACT goodies will resolve next week. I could have gone for new heads and some more trick engine work but I'm not after silly BHP, more aiming at mid range torque and smoother drivability. The choice of camshaft and breathing mods was reached after chatting with Dan and Dom about my long term aim of having the MBE ignition system fitted as a finishing point on the engine.
I could tell the difference a new camshaft made as soon as I picked the car up from Dan and the ACT parts going on next week will dial out the very minimal shunting I have left so my idea to speak to Dan and Dom and listen to what they say based on just wanting smoother engine running with the added benefit of some more BHP and improved torque across the range has proven to be a good approach. If you ever fancy a drive out in my one once the ACT bits and pieces have been added let me know and I'll pop over one weekend.
I'd just like to confirm, Lloyds managed to get Sheel's car mapped in one session. He drove it to them with a generic map they provided with the Canams system then fine tuned it in one day.
MBE does away with any form of stepper motor which I like hugely but possibly makes mapping it slightly more difficult in the first instance.
I've ran the MBE for just over a year, cars used daily and through winter, lives outside most of its life and has never faultered or even a suggestion of it since fitting.
When I was looking into this I decided the rolling road it was going on was important. Some roads give big numbers etc, that didn't bother me, I wanted a rolling road that's consistent and the mapper knows well.
Tvr Powers road had a new clutch last year, about 20k just for the clutch. Quality peace of equipment and that coupled with Jays years of experience tuning Tvr's and many other cars was the deciding factor, I looked at cheaper options (saving around £400) but then I'd need to trailer or get the car over to mapper for fine tuning etc, my time and the hassle it could easily eat up that money so just came to the conclusion that taking it to one place and having all the work done under one roof seemed a prudent move.
It's not a given that the mapping will be spot on for all driving applications with just one rolling road session.
Dom said it would be perfect, I held him to this as his boys installed it, he didn't let me down.
My final consideration was the fact MBE is type approved for our cars, it's the only one that is, not much of an issue really but if I ever come to sell the car this might have some bearing on resale value.
I have little interest in putting a lap top on the car and fiddling with the fuelling so for me at least the MBE represents the best on the market all things considered.
I don't do cars that start one day and not the next, running an engine that's not quite right because of iffy fuelling or whatever has me just turning it off until it's resolved so I feel a good aftermarket Ecu gives me peace of mind.
My engine runs slightly cooler at almost all times, this is another aspect of my Ecu I really like as the engine is simply a lot happier running about 75 degrees and the water temp gauge rarely wanders, just sits at 12 o'clock unless I'm in big traffic on a hot day.
Put simply its brilliant and gives my engine a really refined feel. I'd suggest all these Ecu will do the same thing, things like cleaner engine oil for longer,, these are huge steps forward in reliability and maintenance.
I've checked my oil over the weekend, close to my 5000 oil change interval but it's still a golden brown, dark yes but before the MBE it was pitch black after 3000 miles max. My gearbox and diff have a much easier life, this all adds up.
Couple of grand to do all this, over time its saving you a fortune and less time sat on the side of the road or in the garage scratching heads!
Most people use these cars for fun, I use my car to get to places on time on a daily basis. I'd be driving some euro box because I would not trust the car enough to do what I do in it without these changes.
I've driven 1000 miles in 24 hours with a MBE, effortless.
I've jet washed it, I'd like to see someone do that with confidence on the old CUX or even other Ecu's that still use half the existing engine wiring loom.
It's a no brainier if you really want a usable Tvr that's largely trouble fee of the old gremlins.
I read every post about CUX issues, just because I'd like to still know what's going on with it, unless you have lots of electro mechanical experience your shooting in the dark and if the car is used regularly nothing but a pain in the arse.
My engine servicing consists of oils, Filters plugs. All those Dist caps, arms, leads, ign coils and amplifiers, vacuum hoses AFM and the like are gone, binned.
I mentioned it runs cooler, so all the other electrics and parts around the engine run cooler, you can't underestimate the power of this.
MBE does away with any form of stepper motor which I like hugely but possibly makes mapping it slightly more difficult in the first instance.
I've ran the MBE for just over a year, cars used daily and through winter, lives outside most of its life and has never faultered or even a suggestion of it since fitting.
When I was looking into this I decided the rolling road it was going on was important. Some roads give big numbers etc, that didn't bother me, I wanted a rolling road that's consistent and the mapper knows well.
Tvr Powers road had a new clutch last year, about 20k just for the clutch. Quality peace of equipment and that coupled with Jays years of experience tuning Tvr's and many other cars was the deciding factor, I looked at cheaper options (saving around £400) but then I'd need to trailer or get the car over to mapper for fine tuning etc, my time and the hassle it could easily eat up that money so just came to the conclusion that taking it to one place and having all the work done under one roof seemed a prudent move.
It's not a given that the mapping will be spot on for all driving applications with just one rolling road session.
Dom said it would be perfect, I held him to this as his boys installed it, he didn't let me down.
My final consideration was the fact MBE is type approved for our cars, it's the only one that is, not much of an issue really but if I ever come to sell the car this might have some bearing on resale value.
I have little interest in putting a lap top on the car and fiddling with the fuelling so for me at least the MBE represents the best on the market all things considered.
I don't do cars that start one day and not the next, running an engine that's not quite right because of iffy fuelling or whatever has me just turning it off until it's resolved so I feel a good aftermarket Ecu gives me peace of mind.
My engine runs slightly cooler at almost all times, this is another aspect of my Ecu I really like as the engine is simply a lot happier running about 75 degrees and the water temp gauge rarely wanders, just sits at 12 o'clock unless I'm in big traffic on a hot day.
Put simply its brilliant and gives my engine a really refined feel. I'd suggest all these Ecu will do the same thing, things like cleaner engine oil for longer,, these are huge steps forward in reliability and maintenance.
I've checked my oil over the weekend, close to my 5000 oil change interval but it's still a golden brown, dark yes but before the MBE it was pitch black after 3000 miles max. My gearbox and diff have a much easier life, this all adds up.
Couple of grand to do all this, over time its saving you a fortune and less time sat on the side of the road or in the garage scratching heads!
Most people use these cars for fun, I use my car to get to places on time on a daily basis. I'd be driving some euro box because I would not trust the car enough to do what I do in it without these changes.
I've driven 1000 miles in 24 hours with a MBE, effortless.
I've jet washed it, I'd like to see someone do that with confidence on the old CUX or even other Ecu's that still use half the existing engine wiring loom.
It's a no brainier if you really want a usable Tvr that's largely trouble fee of the old gremlins.
I read every post about CUX issues, just because I'd like to still know what's going on with it, unless you have lots of electro mechanical experience your shooting in the dark and if the car is used regularly nothing but a pain in the arse.
My engine servicing consists of oils, Filters plugs. All those Dist caps, arms, leads, ign coils and amplifiers, vacuum hoses AFM and the like are gone, binned.
I mentioned it runs cooler, so all the other electrics and parts around the engine run cooler, you can't underestimate the power of this.
andy43 said:
So - with a modern ECU - un-bloody-believable difference in smoothness and ease of driving in traffic. Probably not much improvement powerwise, but as a future-proof reliability exercise that will not only keep the engine happy but also protect the drivetrain and my sanity it's the best thing I've done on the car. You could argue remapping and 'decatting' the Lucas may have got somewhere close, but with the new wiring, reduced parts count and better timing method I'm very happy. Driving it while it's still warming up is now a totally different experience, a pleasure.
Exactly my own experience. I love my car but it's now 25 year old technology and things have moved on particularly in the 'driveability' stakes. Shunting and cold performance were very bad and was bringing me to the point of a new ECU or selling the car.I went the Canems route partly because of recommendation and partly because it is a one stop shop.In my experiece you need to choose a company who can install the ECU, manufacture a new engine bay loom and map on a rolling road all at the same premises. Lloyds Special Developments were excellent and kept to their initial estimate and have provided helpful aftersales sevice.
Not a cheap upgrade but the way Griff/Chim prices appear to be increasing it will seem insignificant in years to come.
Edited by Hedgehopper on Monday 7th November 11:12
pb450 said:
Morning Graham, I know what you mean but the wallet would take a massive hammering if I go that route. Not one I can easily justify I'm afraid. I'm really after smoother running, as it was a little 'all over the place' on yesterday's cold start and breckie run. (Where were you?) Some shunting too which is worse on occassions than others. I'm pretty happy overall with the performance but would like better warm up, predicatble engine revs when stopping, less shunting, etc. It's just been serviced too so I know all bits have been checked.
Good morning Peter, I know your wallet is up to it 
There was a family lunch at Chapter1 yesterday and it is not possible for me to go into a cafe and not have at least a medium sized fry-up!
sounds like ignition to me - are you still running plug extenders? I
I can't understand why no one has mentioned LPG? 
A big yes to improved reliability and drivability, but it's my 45-50mpg petrol cost equivalent that simply means I use my TVR a whole lot more.
The way I see it if TVR pleasure is all in the driving then being able to afford to drive it more directly translates to more pleasure...
A big yes to improved reliability and drivability, but it's my 45-50mpg petrol cost equivalent that simply means I use my TVR a whole lot more.
The way I see it if TVR pleasure is all in the driving then being able to afford to drive it more directly translates to more pleasure...
I'm skint too mate, I sell stuff technology has made obsolete & no fekker wants to buy it any more 
I drive a TVR because it cheers me up and I need a lot of cheering up with sales as they are, thank fek I did the LPG thing when my bank balance was healthier.
What must have seemed to most as a misguided harebrained project is revealing itself to be the cunning cost saving master plan I designed it be..
Hope things pick up for us both Alun
If the above seems out of context and is confusing people it was my response to Alun's recent post which I guess he deleted?
I drive a TVR because it cheers me up and I need a lot of cheering up with sales as they are, thank fek I did the LPG thing when my bank balance was healthier.
What must have seemed to most as a misguided harebrained project is revealing itself to be the cunning cost saving master plan I designed it be..
Hope things pick up for us both Alun
If the above seems out of context and is confusing people it was my response to Alun's recent post which I guess he deleted?
Edited by ChimpOnGas on Monday 7th November 20:49
ChimpOnGas said:
I'm skint too mate, I sell stuff technology has made obsolete & no fekker wants to buy it any more
I drive a TVR because it cheers me up and I need a lot of cheering up with sales as they are, thank fek I did the LPG thing when my bank balance was healthier.
What must have seemed to most as a misguided harebrained project is revealing itself to be the cunning cost saving master plan I designed it be..
Hope things pick up for us both Alun
If the above seems out of context and is confusing people it was my response to Alun's recent post which I guess he deleted?
I thought better of it Dave.
Was this Ecu available when you started looking into your LPG conversion Dave. It's the biz.
Sorry for my previous post as I started to whinge about life and realise this isn't the place for such comments.
I drive a TVR because it cheers me up and I need a lot of cheering up with sales as they are, thank fek I did the LPG thing when my bank balance was healthier.
What must have seemed to most as a misguided harebrained project is revealing itself to be the cunning cost saving master plan I designed it be..
Hope things pick up for us both Alun
If the above seems out of context and is confusing people it was my response to Alun's recent post which I guess he deleted?
I thought better of it Dave.
Was this Ecu available when you started looking into your LPG conversion Dave. It's the biz.
Sorry for my previous post as I started to whinge about life and realise this isn't the place for such comments.
Edited by ChimpOnGas on Monday 7th November 20:49
ClassiChimi said:
Was this Ecu available when you started looking into your LPG conversion Dave. It's the biz.
Only just mate.However... the Lloyd team have a policy of testing everything themselves before putting it on the market so they had the system running on their Range Rover for a year before it became available. Like the OP I wanted to enjoy all the benefits of an after market engine management system; but at the same time I was also researching how I could implement LPG as it struck me a Chimaera made the perfect candidate, the Canems dual fuel system was quite simply all my dreams come true
I started my LPG journey almost four years ago so the system has been around for at least five years now, saying that it has been in constant development during this period. I added gas pressure & temperature correction, super fast responding Hana Gold injectors, a vacuum reference on my LPG vaporiser and the latest gas filtration technology along the way.
All these development tweaks simply to hone and refine an already excellent package to achieve my goal of creating the best stand alone gaseous LPG system. This development work is now complete, all the destruction tested enhancements we've added are now part of the turn-key package offered to anyone considering the system.
It's worth pointing out the dual fuel ECU is only a couple of hundred pounds more than the petrol only Canems system, it does everything the standard system does on petrol but adds the LPG element which you can activate at a later date. This is exctly what I did, anyone at the point of updating their engine management system from the 14CUX to one of the options listed here might want to consider paying the small premium for the Canems dual fuel ECU so they can enjoy the benefits of 45-50mpg at a later date?
Just another option for the OP to consider
Thanks to all for the wealth of info and advice. (Loving the gas idea Dave but in reality I'll not be heading this way.) Yes, I'm still on plug extenders Graham; Dan confirmed they're all fine at the last service. Sometimes it behaves well and other times it doesn't.
Also to Alun for this:
I'll not be attempting this one myself so it's just a question of making the man-maths work. Hmmm....
Also to Alun for this:
ClassiChimi said:
It's a no brainier if you really want a usable Tvr that's largely trouble free of the old gremlins.
The new brain sounds ideal and some quick homework reveals a very similar price for the Emerald, MBE and Canems systems, fitted. As said, I would go for tried and tested folk, not too far from home. (some hope!) A one stop shop, as it were.I'll not be attempting this one myself so it's just a question of making the man-maths work. Hmmm....
pb450 said:
The new brain sounds ideal and some quick homework reveals a very similar price for the Emerald, MBE and Canems systems, fitted. As said, I would go for tried and tested folk, not too far from home. (some hope!) A one stop shop, as it were.
I'll not be attempting this one myself so it's just a question of making the man-maths work. Hmmm....
The dash comes off including centre consol, it's a big old wiring job whatever way you look at it. I'll not be attempting this one myself so it's just a question of making the man-maths work. Hmmm....
I'd had immobiliser issues, the odd misfire that sent me nuts trying to track down, I've got a re built engine so I really didn't want unburnt fuel sloshing about the bores or into the oil.
Temp sensor issues, over fuelling at idle, sometimes when the engine was hot I'd then have trouble starting it (main battery cable)
I was also fed up with trying to find decent Lucas components when servicing the car, I was never sure the engine was not running lean on full throttle, these things worried me as I drive the car as often as I can so after much consideration,,,, about an hour
i went for the MBE as Powers are local to me and I wanted to know I could go back whenever I had a concern.My car is now more powerful, better fuel return, starts and stops like any other car and I took the car to a friends place for this years Mot, passed the emissions with my mate saying that's the lowest emissions on any RV8 engined car he'd ever tested, this after over 10,000 miles of driving since the MBE was fitted and mapped. Once warm I have very little if any smell of petrol and stand behind the car and i can hardly detect any smells at all. Clean burn, even after an engine rebuild I'd get a puff of black smoke when starting from cold ( over fuelling) doesn't do that any longer either. Win win win.
Nobody I've talked to has ever looked back since replacing the old system regardless of what make the new ECU is.
I have a level of confidence in my Tvr that changes my base feelings about the car, it's now a joy to drive.
I promote the MBE because it's the one I know, I'm very impressed with the Canams that was fitted to a friends Tvr and Emerald are a class product too. I think I just liked the idea of replacing the old loom and the MBE one is excellent, Jason at Powers was instrumental in the design of this little lot and he's like Joolz at Kits and Classics, a top fella.
Take your time, whatever you decide you should be pleasantly surprised if not brassic for 6 months
ChimpOnGas said:
Only just mate.
However... the Lloyd team have a policy of testing everything themselves before putting it on the market so they had the system running on their Range Rover for a year before it became available. Like the OP I wanted to enjoy all the benefits of an after market engine management system; but at the same time I was also researching how I could implement LPG as it struck me a Chimaera made the perfect candidate, the Canems dual fuel system was quite simply all my dreams come true
I started my LPG journey almost four years ago so the system has been around for at least five years now, saying that it has been in constant development during this period. I added gas pressure & temperature correction, super fast responding Hana Gold injectors, a vacuum reference on my LPG vaporiser and the latest gas filtration technology along the way.
All these development tweaks simply to hone and refine an already excellent package to achieve my goal of creating the best stand alone gaseous LPG system. This development work is now complete, all the destruction tested enhancements we've added are now part of the turn-key package offered to anyone considering the system.
It's worth pointing out the dual fuel ECU is only a couple of hundred pounds more than the petrol only Canems system, it does everything the standard system does on petrol but adds the LPG element which you can activate at a later date. This is exctly what I did, anyone at the point of updating their engine management system from the 14CUX to one of the options listed here might want to consider paying the small premium for the Canems dual fuel ECU so they can enjoy the benefits of 45-50mpg at a later date?
Just another option for the OP to consider
Cheers for that Dave, I thought with your powers of persuasion you'd got them to produce it However... the Lloyd team have a policy of testing everything themselves before putting it on the market so they had the system running on their Range Rover for a year before it became available. Like the OP I wanted to enjoy all the benefits of an after market engine management system; but at the same time I was also researching how I could implement LPG as it struck me a Chimaera made the perfect candidate, the Canems dual fuel system was quite simply all my dreams come true
I started my LPG journey almost four years ago so the system has been around for at least five years now, saying that it has been in constant development during this period. I added gas pressure & temperature correction, super fast responding Hana Gold injectors, a vacuum reference on my LPG vaporiser and the latest gas filtration technology along the way.
All these development tweaks simply to hone and refine an already excellent package to achieve my goal of creating the best stand alone gaseous LPG system. This development work is now complete, all the destruction tested enhancements we've added are now part of the turn-key package offered to anyone considering the system.
It's worth pointing out the dual fuel ECU is only a couple of hundred pounds more than the petrol only Canems system, it does everything the standard system does on petrol but adds the LPG element which you can activate at a later date. This is exctly what I did, anyone at the point of updating their engine management system from the 14CUX to one of the options listed here might want to consider paying the small premium for the Canems dual fuel ECU so they can enjoy the benefits of 45-50mpg at a later date?
Just another option for the OP to consider
I converted an old jag once, it worked great. Why I never considered it until after I went MBE I'll never know.
On a couple of occasions I've put about 30/40 kgs of weight in the boot and my car drives fantastic with that extra weight, it was the tanks that held me back, logic tells me I had nothing to worry about and that extra weight is a bonus on all but track applications.
Considering the price of petrol, the lack of decent opportunities within industry now, jeez I should have looked at the LPG more closely.
The problem is prejudice, the idea of loosing power, rough running, all s
te once you've seen your car. If you could only get people to hear it mate, many a mouth would be left wide open. A real credit to you and the Lloyds boys.
Oh and I saw a sign for LPG today, 49p a litre FFS
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