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phillpot said:
Fibreglass filter, scroll down here a bit.
You learn something new every day 
Excellent read.
I'll look forward to the link Dave
I'm about to hit the button on a new oil sender so I might as well get a nice filter ta boot.
It's a joy to put the best products on your car I reckon
Thanks for the advice.
I've tried the V8 fibre glass filter from David Brown and in my opinion it works fine. However it is a little longer than the standard alternatives and I had to jack the engine up a bit (just for some wriggle room) to fit it but once on and the engine lowered back down there was just enough clearance to the chassis cross brace.
Since fitting a sandwich plate cooler head there is of course no room for this type of filter, and due to my usual multiple buy practice to dilute postage I still have 2 unused, unopened ones if anyone's interested?
Since fitting a sandwich plate cooler head there is of course no room for this type of filter, and due to my usual multiple buy practice to dilute postage I still have 2 unused, unopened ones if anyone's interested?
Richard 858 said:
I've tried the V8 fibre glass filter from David Brown and in my opinion it works fine. However it is a little longer than the standard alternatives and I had to jack the engine up a bit (just for some wriggle room) to fit it but once on and the engine lowered back down there was just enough clearance to the chassis cross brace.
Since fitting a sandwich plate cooler head there is of course no room for this type of filter, and due to my usual multiple buy practice to dilute postage I still have 2 unused, unopened ones if anyone's interested?
Excellent, I'll have one off you Richard, maybe both if no body wants one Since fitting a sandwich plate cooler head there is of course no room for this type of filter, and due to my usual multiple buy practice to dilute postage I still have 2 unused, unopened ones if anyone's interested?
The V8 filter from David Brown is excellent and I've used then extensively in the past, but now I have SC engine mounts its just too long to fit.
I have three unused going spare as I've now converted to the Purple Ronnie filter which uses the same filtration media but is shorter so will fit easily.
I have three unused going spare as I've now converted to the Purple Ronnie filter which uses the same filtration media but is shorter so will fit easily.
Richard 858 said:
I've tried the V8 fibre glass filter from David Brown and in my opinion it works fine. However it is a little longer than the standard alternatives and I had to jack the engine up a bit (just for some wriggle room) to fit it but once on and the engine lowered back down there was just enough clearance to the chassis cross brace.
Since fitting a sandwich plate cooler head there is of course no room for this type of filter, and due to my usual multiple buy practice to dilute postage I still have 2 unused, unopened ones if anyone's interested?
Ill take the second if its available. Ping me a mail with what you want for it with postage?Since fitting a sandwich plate cooler head there is of course no room for this type of filter, and due to my usual multiple buy practice to dilute postage I still have 2 unused, unopened ones if anyone's interested?
Here's some info on the Royal Purple synthetic filter I now use:
http://www.royalpurpleconsumer.com/products/royal-...
For the Rover V8 you need to choose the 20-253 Royal Purple part number, this filter is shorter than the one supplied by David Brown but has all the same benefits.
I still believe a bigger the filter is better, a bigger filter offers improved oil cooling and a greater filtration media surface area, saying that the filter still has to fit. I previously had no issues with the big David Brown V8 filter, sure it was a tight squeeze getting it started on the thread but it did fit and once wound on there were no clearance issues whatsoever. However, after fitting SC-Power engine mounts while I could still just fit the V8 filter it required I jack the engine first, when I let the engine back down I wasn't 100% happy as it just touched the chassis cross brace. I feared with prolonged use and engine vibration I was running the very real risk of the filter body wearing through and a leak forming, of course as the filter is under pressure any small leak like this would immediately result in the rapid & catastrophic loss of engine oil.
I really liked and rated my synthetic media V8 filters from David Brown so this was all rather disappointing, I went searching for a shorter filter that used the same filtration media and technology and found just two options that would fit the Rover V8 engine. Only the Royal Purple option was available to buy in the UK, the other required I import it from the States which for a regular use consumable service item like an oil filter was a bit impracticable (not to mention expensive).
So that's how I ended up with the Royal Purple 20-253, the great thing about this filter is you get all the benefits synthetic filtration media offers in a size you just screw on, no clearance or fitting issues, no fear of the case wearing through and the total loss of engine oil that would follow. The filter is £18.49 which some may see as excessive when you can buy a Cooper, Fram or similar for a fiver, even a genuine Land Rover filter (ERR3340) is half the cost of my Royal Purple filter.
I guess it's a personal choice thing, the way I see it is there's a lot of evidence to suggest even with 12,000 miles on it the Royal Purple 20-253 will still be performing better than a cellulose media ERR3340 at 6,000 miles, so if like me you choose to only replace your expensive RP filter every other change it'll work out to be the same cost as an ERR3340 while still delivering far better filtration.
Synthetic media oil filters were developed 20 years ago by Cummins specifically for the haulage fleet market so they could keep their dirty diesel trucks on the road (and so making money) for longer intervals between oil changes. Diesel combustion is a very dirty process and this translates to the oil getting a much harder life, diesel oil must carry a significant amount more carbon and keep it suspended than on a vehicle burning petrol (even less with LPG). Cummins developed their FleetGuard range of synthetic media oil filters for all these reasons and so was able to recommend a safe 20,000 change interval even on those big dirty diesel trucks they'd specifically designed this high performance filter for.
I burn mostly low carbon LPG which is kinder on my Penrite HPR-60 synthetic oil than if I was just burning petrol (let alone dirty diesel), I still change my oil regularly as Range Rover & TVR recommended because regular oil changes remain essential to long engine life, but I change my synthetic media Royal Purple 20-253 every second oil change which is still not even coming close to what its capable of.
You can buy the Royal Purple 20-253 in the UK from here:
https://www.raceengineered.co.uk/collections/royal...
This company sell the filter on Ebay too but I found it was cheaper to buy it direct.
Hope this helps?
Dave.
http://www.royalpurpleconsumer.com/products/royal-...
For the Rover V8 you need to choose the 20-253 Royal Purple part number, this filter is shorter than the one supplied by David Brown but has all the same benefits.
I still believe a bigger the filter is better, a bigger filter offers improved oil cooling and a greater filtration media surface area, saying that the filter still has to fit. I previously had no issues with the big David Brown V8 filter, sure it was a tight squeeze getting it started on the thread but it did fit and once wound on there were no clearance issues whatsoever. However, after fitting SC-Power engine mounts while I could still just fit the V8 filter it required I jack the engine first, when I let the engine back down I wasn't 100% happy as it just touched the chassis cross brace. I feared with prolonged use and engine vibration I was running the very real risk of the filter body wearing through and a leak forming, of course as the filter is under pressure any small leak like this would immediately result in the rapid & catastrophic loss of engine oil.
I really liked and rated my synthetic media V8 filters from David Brown so this was all rather disappointing, I went searching for a shorter filter that used the same filtration media and technology and found just two options that would fit the Rover V8 engine. Only the Royal Purple option was available to buy in the UK, the other required I import it from the States which for a regular use consumable service item like an oil filter was a bit impracticable (not to mention expensive).
So that's how I ended up with the Royal Purple 20-253, the great thing about this filter is you get all the benefits synthetic filtration media offers in a size you just screw on, no clearance or fitting issues, no fear of the case wearing through and the total loss of engine oil that would follow. The filter is £18.49 which some may see as excessive when you can buy a Cooper, Fram or similar for a fiver, even a genuine Land Rover filter (ERR3340) is half the cost of my Royal Purple filter.
I guess it's a personal choice thing, the way I see it is there's a lot of evidence to suggest even with 12,000 miles on it the Royal Purple 20-253 will still be performing better than a cellulose media ERR3340 at 6,000 miles, so if like me you choose to only replace your expensive RP filter every other change it'll work out to be the same cost as an ERR3340 while still delivering far better filtration.
Synthetic media oil filters were developed 20 years ago by Cummins specifically for the haulage fleet market so they could keep their dirty diesel trucks on the road (and so making money) for longer intervals between oil changes. Diesel combustion is a very dirty process and this translates to the oil getting a much harder life, diesel oil must carry a significant amount more carbon and keep it suspended than on a vehicle burning petrol (even less with LPG). Cummins developed their FleetGuard range of synthetic media oil filters for all these reasons and so was able to recommend a safe 20,000 change interval even on those big dirty diesel trucks they'd specifically designed this high performance filter for.
I burn mostly low carbon LPG which is kinder on my Penrite HPR-60 synthetic oil than if I was just burning petrol (let alone dirty diesel), I still change my oil regularly as Range Rover & TVR recommended because regular oil changes remain essential to long engine life, but I change my synthetic media Royal Purple 20-253 every second oil change which is still not even coming close to what its capable of.
You can buy the Royal Purple 20-253 in the UK from here:
https://www.raceengineered.co.uk/collections/royal...
This company sell the filter on Ebay too but I found it was cheaper to buy it direct.
Hope this helps?
Dave.
ChimpOnGas said:
Here's some info on the Royal Purple synthetic filter I now use:
http://www.royalpurpleconsumer.com/products/royal-...
For the Rover V8 you need to choose the 20-253 Royal Purple part number, this filter is shorter than the one supplied by David Brown but has all the same benefits.
I still believe a bigger the filter is better, a bigger filter offers improved oil cooling and a greater filtration media surface area, saying that the filter still has to fit. I previously had no issues with the big David Brown V8 filter, sure it was a tight squeeze getting it started on the thread but it did fit and once wound on there were no clearance issues whatsoever. However, after fitting SC-Power engine mounts while I could still just fit the V8 filter it required I jack the engine first, when I let the engine back down I wasn't 100% happy as it just touched the chassis cross brace. I feared with prolonged use and engine vibration I was running the very real risk of the filter body wearing through and a leak forming, of course as the filter is under pressure any small leak like this would immediately result in the rapid & catastrophic loss of engine oil.
I really liked and rated my synthetic media V8 filters from David Brown so this was all rather disappointing, I went searching for a shorter filter that used the same filtration media and technology and found just two options that would fit the Rover V8 engine. Only the Royal Purple option was available to buy in the UK, the other required I import it from the States which for a regular use consumable service item like an oil filter was a bit impracticable (not to mention expensive).
So that's how I ended up with the Royal Purple 20-253, the great thing about this filter is you get all the benefits synthetic filtration media offers in a size you just screw on, no clearance or fitting issues, no fear of the case wearing through and the total loss of engine oil that would follow. The filter is £18.49 which some may see as excessive when you can buy a Cooper, Fram or similar for a fiver, even a genuine Land Rover filter (ERR3340) is half the cost of my Royal Purple filter.
I guess it's a personal choice thing, the way I see it is there's a lot of evidence to suggest even with 12,000 miles on it the Royal Purple 20-253 will still be performing better than a cellulose media ERR3340 at 6,000 miles, so if like me you choose to only replace your expensive RP filter every other change it'll work out to be the same cost as an ERR3340 while still delivering far better filtration.
Synthetic media oil filters were developed 20 years ago by Cummins specifically for the haulage fleet market so they could keep their dirty diesel trucks on the road (and so making money) for longer intervals between oil changes. Diesel combustion is a very dirty process and this translates to the oil getting a much harder life, diesel oil must carry a significant amount more carbon and keep it suspended than on a vehicle burning petrol (even less with LPG). Cummins developed their FleetGuard range of synthetic media oil filters for all these reasons and so was able to recommend a safe 20,000 change interval even on those big dirty diesel trucks they'd specifically designed this high performance filter for.
I burn mostly low carbon LPG which is kinder on my Penrite HPR-60 synthetic oil than if I was just burning petrol (let alone dirty diesel), I still change my oil regularly as Range Rover & TVR recommended because regular oil changes remain essential to long engine life, but I change my synthetic media Royal Purple 20-253 every second oil change which is still not even coming close to what its capable of.
You can buy the Royal Purple 20-253 in the UK from here:
https://www.raceengineered.co.uk/collections/royal...
This company sell the filter on Ebay too but I found it was cheaper to buy it direct.
Hope this helps?
Dave.
Any data on the pressure drop across the filter ? Its alright having a higher efficiency filter, but not if it cuts down oil flow.http://www.royalpurpleconsumer.com/products/royal-...
For the Rover V8 you need to choose the 20-253 Royal Purple part number, this filter is shorter than the one supplied by David Brown but has all the same benefits.
I still believe a bigger the filter is better, a bigger filter offers improved oil cooling and a greater filtration media surface area, saying that the filter still has to fit. I previously had no issues with the big David Brown V8 filter, sure it was a tight squeeze getting it started on the thread but it did fit and once wound on there were no clearance issues whatsoever. However, after fitting SC-Power engine mounts while I could still just fit the V8 filter it required I jack the engine first, when I let the engine back down I wasn't 100% happy as it just touched the chassis cross brace. I feared with prolonged use and engine vibration I was running the very real risk of the filter body wearing through and a leak forming, of course as the filter is under pressure any small leak like this would immediately result in the rapid & catastrophic loss of engine oil.
I really liked and rated my synthetic media V8 filters from David Brown so this was all rather disappointing, I went searching for a shorter filter that used the same filtration media and technology and found just two options that would fit the Rover V8 engine. Only the Royal Purple option was available to buy in the UK, the other required I import it from the States which for a regular use consumable service item like an oil filter was a bit impracticable (not to mention expensive).
So that's how I ended up with the Royal Purple 20-253, the great thing about this filter is you get all the benefits synthetic filtration media offers in a size you just screw on, no clearance or fitting issues, no fear of the case wearing through and the total loss of engine oil that would follow. The filter is £18.49 which some may see as excessive when you can buy a Cooper, Fram or similar for a fiver, even a genuine Land Rover filter (ERR3340) is half the cost of my Royal Purple filter.
I guess it's a personal choice thing, the way I see it is there's a lot of evidence to suggest even with 12,000 miles on it the Royal Purple 20-253 will still be performing better than a cellulose media ERR3340 at 6,000 miles, so if like me you choose to only replace your expensive RP filter every other change it'll work out to be the same cost as an ERR3340 while still delivering far better filtration.
Synthetic media oil filters were developed 20 years ago by Cummins specifically for the haulage fleet market so they could keep their dirty diesel trucks on the road (and so making money) for longer intervals between oil changes. Diesel combustion is a very dirty process and this translates to the oil getting a much harder life, diesel oil must carry a significant amount more carbon and keep it suspended than on a vehicle burning petrol (even less with LPG). Cummins developed their FleetGuard range of synthetic media oil filters for all these reasons and so was able to recommend a safe 20,000 change interval even on those big dirty diesel trucks they'd specifically designed this high performance filter for.
I burn mostly low carbon LPG which is kinder on my Penrite HPR-60 synthetic oil than if I was just burning petrol (let alone dirty diesel), I still change my oil regularly as Range Rover & TVR recommended because regular oil changes remain essential to long engine life, but I change my synthetic media Royal Purple 20-253 every second oil change which is still not even coming close to what its capable of.
You can buy the Royal Purple 20-253 in the UK from here:
https://www.raceengineered.co.uk/collections/royal...
This company sell the filter on Ebay too but I found it was cheaper to buy it direct.
Hope this helps?
Dave.
I couldn't see any data on the web site.
ClassiChimi said:
I'd like to try the V8 long ones first Dave if they fit!
Otherwise I'll be ordering the Royal Purple one up
The Royal purple being blue, might suit my car
I've ordered one of the twin connection oil senders. See how it goes. It's hardly big money so he who dares
I've got three unused ones going spare.Otherwise I'll be ordering the Royal Purple one up
The Royal purple being blue, might suit my car
I've ordered one of the twin connection oil senders. See how it goes. It's hardly big money so he who dares
WokingWedger said:
Any data on the pressure drop across the filter ? Its alright having a higher efficiency filter, but not if it cuts down oil flow. I couldn't see any data on the web site.
No data mate but it's well accepted in the filtration industry that this newer technology synthetic filter media while much better at trapping dirt ect than a cellulose (paper) media, also flows a lot better than cellulose too.There's a ton of stuff on the web about it if you do a bit of Googling but basically a synthetic media filter is better by design, you also only tend to find this media type on high end oil filters where you also typically see stronger cases, stronger end plates, better bypass valves, thicker "O" rings and better quality anti drain back valves made from silicone.
I did a lot of research into this a while back and filtering out (no pun intended) all the marketing hype & internet BS I still ended up concluding in the case of oil filters you do get what you pay for.
If Cummins adopted synthetic media technology you can be 100% sure it really works.
I hope all Tvr owners read up on the information contained in this thread and make their own judgement.
Excellent and I'll happily be going with one or all the recommendations on here.
It's not until you look you realise there's even a different way, I've often looked at oil filters and concluded paper can't be the best way but it's cheap.
I'd rather pay a few quid more for better filtration and maybe keep my engine alive for longer.
For sometime I've also wanted to drain and replace the oil more often, changing the filter is a pain in the arris so puts me off.
If the filter can take 12000 miles without drama, I could change the oil every 3000 miles and the filter every 4 fills.
I monitor my oil and it's clean until around 3000 miles then degrades by 4000 to dark drown and black by 5000 miles.
Call it over kill but that last 1000 miles i'm willing it to be over so I can drain the dirty oil out.
Using the V8 long filter (if it fits) seems like a way to do the oil change only easily and quickly
Any extra capacity I can gain with oil can only be a good thing, I've got a standard sized baffled sump and I rue not buying the larger capacity one now!
I am thinking it's time to drop the sump and check for any debris, with this in mind can we get a magnetic sump plug,,
Or should I just bond a magnet onto the the sump
Excellent and I'll happily be going with one or all the recommendations on here.
It's not until you look you realise there's even a different way, I've often looked at oil filters and concluded paper can't be the best way but it's cheap.
I'd rather pay a few quid more for better filtration and maybe keep my engine alive for longer.
For sometime I've also wanted to drain and replace the oil more often, changing the filter is a pain in the arris so puts me off.
If the filter can take 12000 miles without drama, I could change the oil every 3000 miles and the filter every 4 fills.
I monitor my oil and it's clean until around 3000 miles then degrades by 4000 to dark drown and black by 5000 miles.
Call it over kill but that last 1000 miles i'm willing it to be over so I can drain the dirty oil out.
Using the V8 long filter (if it fits) seems like a way to do the oil change only easily and quickly
Any extra capacity I can gain with oil can only be a good thing, I've got a standard sized baffled sump and I rue not buying the larger capacity one now!
I am thinking it's time to drop the sump and check for any debris, with this in mind can we get a magnetic sump plug,,
Or should I just bond a magnet onto the the sump
ClassiChimi said:
I am thinking it's time to drop the sump and check for any debris, with this in mind can we get a magnetic sump plug,,
Or should I just bond a magnet onto the the sump
Bare in mind bearing metal isn't magnetic, till you get down to the backing metal but by then it's a bit late! Or should I just bond a magnet onto the the sump
Or a magnetic dipstick.....
blitzracing said:
Richard 858 said:
I've tried the V8 fibre glass filter from David Brown and in my opinion it works fine. However it is a little longer than the standard alternatives and I had to jack the engine up a bit (just for some wriggle room) to fit it but once on and the engine lowered back down there was just enough clearance to the chassis cross brace.
Since fitting a sandwich plate cooler head there is of course no room for this type of filter, and due to my usual multiple buy practice to dilute postage I still have 2 unused, unopened ones if anyone's interested?
Ill take the second if its available. Ping me a mail with what you want for it with postage?Since fitting a sandwich plate cooler head there is of course no room for this type of filter, and due to my usual multiple buy practice to dilute postage I still have 2 unused, unopened ones if anyone's interested?
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