Baffled sump??
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Hey folks, I'll be giving my 450 an oil service shortly and just wondered if it's worth fitting a baffled sump to it at the same time?
I'm planning on getting back into track days this year and being as it'll be my first experience with our cars on track I was wondering if a baffled sump might be a good preventative measure, or is it totally unnecessary if I'm running on road rubber, albeit track biased stuff?
Adrian
I'm planning on getting back into track days this year and being as it'll be my first experience with our cars on track I was wondering if a baffled sump might be a good preventative measure, or is it totally unnecessary if I'm running on road rubber, albeit track biased stuff?
Adrian
Track days are similar to racing conditions with lots of G force sending oil places it doesn't normally go and sometimes the oil pickup pipe is left hanging with no oil to pickup. So I'd call a Chimaera Racer and see what they have to say about it.
Call Mike Luck at DG Sportscars, Redditch, he races Chim's in the Dunlop TVR Challenge and also sells race parts including Dry and Baffled sumps I believe.
Call Mike Luck at DG Sportscars, Redditch, he races Chim's in the Dunlop TVR Challenge and also sells race parts including Dry and Baffled sumps I believe.
I have a Mulfab baffled sump on my car. (Mulberry Fabrications). I do track days and was worried about oil surge issues.
I went for the extended version, which increased the sump capacity to about 9 litres as well as baffling it.
My friend Mat Smith then made his own version for his race car, where he races with Mike Luck.
www.mulfab.co.uk
A friend of mine who does track events in his LS3 Tamora, which was fitted with a standard sump, actually blew a hole in the side of the engine through oil starvation, so it is a lot more than a myth.
I went for the extended version, which increased the sump capacity to about 9 litres as well as baffling it.
My friend Mat Smith then made his own version for his race car, where he races with Mike Luck.
www.mulfab.co.uk
A friend of mine who does track events in his LS3 Tamora, which was fitted with a standard sump, actually blew a hole in the side of the engine through oil starvation, so it is a lot more than a myth.
QBee said:
I have a Mulfab baffled sump on my car. (Mulberry Fabrications). I do track days and was worried about oil surge issues.
I went for the extended version, which increased the sump capacity to about 9 litres as well as baffling it.
My friend Mat Smith then made his own version for his race car, where he races with Mike Luck.
www.mulfab.co.uk
A friend of mine who does track events in his LS3 Tamora, which was fitted with a standard sump, actually blew a hole in the side of the engine through oil starvation, so it is a lot more than a myth.
+ 1 for Mulfab I went for the extended version, which increased the sump capacity to about 9 litres as well as baffling it.
My friend Mat Smith then made his own version for his race car, where he races with Mike Luck.
www.mulfab.co.uk
A friend of mine who does track events in his LS3 Tamora, which was fitted with a standard sump, actually blew a hole in the side of the engine through oil starvation, so it is a lot more than a myth.
And defo if your tracking it
Looks like John Eales does some parts too..
Baffled sump (£380~500)
http://www.johnealesroverv8.co.uk/9.html
Dry sump (>£1500 probable cost)
http://www.johnealesroverv8.co.uk/21.html
I have seen a few Ultimas run these
http://www.accusump.com/
Baffled sump (£380~500)
http://www.johnealesroverv8.co.uk/9.html
Dry sump (>£1500 probable cost)
http://www.johnealesroverv8.co.uk/21.html
I have seen a few Ultimas run these
http://www.accusump.com/
Simon at SiFab said:
I made both the batches of baffled sumps for the Pistonheads Group buy, when I worked at Mulfab. I left there a little over a year ago, and have set up by myself offering similar services.
I currently make the sumps for DG and JED
Simon @ SiFab.co.uk
Wish I knew about this sooner getting mine done was a long winded process with Mulfab only a couple of months ago I currently make the sumps for DG and JED
Simon @ SiFab.co.uk
must of gone over the type I needed more than a few times 
Edited by Sardonicus on Tuesday 10th January 14:52
Sardonicus said:
ish I knew about this sooner getting mine done was a long winded process with Mulfab only a couple of months ago must of gone over the type I needed more than a few times
It's a minefield must of gone over the type I needed more than a few times 
I bottled it and stayed with standard oil capacity which now seems nuts but I'm still very happy with mine.Your engines year etc is important when ordering as you know Simon
Sardonicus said:
ish I knew about this sooner getting mine done was a long winded process with Mulfab only a couple of months ago must of gone over the type I needed more than a few times
Getting anything other than what he has in stock, out of Peter Mulberry is very difficult theses days... must of gone over the type I needed more than a few times Simon @ SiFab.co.uk
Simon at SiFab said:
Getting anything other than what he has in stock, out of Peter Mulberry is very difficult theses days...
Simon @ SiFab.co.uk
Thats the bloke Simon @ SiFab.co.uk
like a said Simon wish I would of spoke to you sooner, if it wasn't for Phazed having a spare donor sump to send in to be modified I would of been 
as apparently they have no s/hand or new pressings in stock with no ETA either so Peter/Phazed kindly helped me out 
Edited by Sardonicus on Tuesday 10th January 15:12
rev-erend said:
Looks like John Eales does some parts too..
Baffled sump (£380~500)
http://www.johnealesroverv8.co.uk/9.html
Dry sump (>£1500 probable cost)
http://www.johnealesroverv8.co.uk/21.html
I have seen a few Ultimas run these
http://www.accusump.com/
Whilst I am quoting you don't quote me!! But, I 'think' the JOHN Eales sumps come from Mulfab or at least copy their design, and JE ones are a bit more expensive. I run a Rover V8 in a different car to a TVR and ordered the non-winged baffled Sump. It turned out to be identical to a friends MulFab one. Both however worked just as well and eliminated oil surge in the 3.9L race engines they were used in. Baffled sump (£380~500)
http://www.johnealesroverv8.co.uk/9.html
Dry sump (>£1500 probable cost)
http://www.johnealesroverv8.co.uk/21.html
I have seen a few Ultimas run these
http://www.accusump.com/
Some guys I know are using the winged baffled sumps but these cars are pushing out north of 400 BHP, if that's the level you are at they be worthwhile, if not think the standard ones would work sufficiently well.
Hope that helps
Hope that helps
motul1974 said:
Hi Simon, so what would an extended capacity windage sump cost from yourself? with wings maybe?
For just occasional use, I wouldn't recommend going the whole winged route. A "standard" baffled sump as I made for the group buys will be fine.What capacity is the engine?
For the 4+ litre engines I weld in extra clearance to the front of the sump for the crank throw, rather than belting it with a hammer like the TVR factory did.
Simon @ SiFab.co.uk
peekay74 said:
Whilst I am quoting you don't quote me!! But, I 'think' the JOHN Eales sumps come from Mulfab or at least copy their design, and JE ones are a bit more expensive. I run a Rover V8 in a different car to a TVR and ordered the non-winged baffled Sump. It turned out to be identical to a friends MulFab one. Both however worked just as well and eliminated oil surge in the 3.9L race engines they were used in.
Some guys I know are using the winged baffled sumps but these cars are pushing out north of 400 BHP, if that's the level you are at they be worthwhile, if not think the standard ones would work sufficiently well.
Hope that helps
Hope that helps
Yes we used to make the sumps for JED at Mulfab, and I continue to do so Some guys I know are using the winged baffled sumps but these cars are pushing out north of 400 BHP, if that's the level you are at they be worthwhile, if not think the standard ones would work sufficiently well.
Hope that helps
Hope that helps
Simon @ SiFab.co.uk
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