Toyo tyres.....again
Toyo tyres.....again
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TJC46

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2,184 posts

223 months

Sunday 2nd January 2022
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Hi guys

Trying to source a Toyo tyre for the front of my Chimaera. Had a tracking problem with the steering and have managed to wear the left front on the outer shoulder only.
The tyres were fitted a couple of years back, but have seen very little mileage.
I have Toyo tyres on the rear so if i need to fit 2 new tyres to the front i would like to keep all 4 wheels on the same tyres.
My question is the original size i have on the front now is 205/55/15.
You cannot get this size Toyo tyre anywhere now but you can get 205/50/15 in a TR1.
Am i right to think this will be approx 10mm smaller in the overall diameter ?
Would it be ok to use this size on the front ?

indigochim

1,988 posts

147 months

Sunday 2nd January 2022
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Yes you're correct ~10mm reduction in radius. This site will allow you to compare options.

LucyP

1,773 posts

76 months

Monday 3rd January 2022
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You can get many 205/55/15 tyres including Continental, which are a far better tyre than a Toyo. Dump the Toyos and swap for a much better tyre.

Belle427

10,834 posts

250 months

Monday 3rd January 2022
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They used to be thought of as the dogs bks years ago, are they that bad these days?

Mutley00

292 posts

140 months

Monday 3rd January 2022
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Belle427 said:
They used to be thought of as the dogs bks years ago, are they that bad these days?
A fellow Elise owner described them as like driving around on jelly babies when they got warm on a track day!

phazed

22,289 posts

221 months

Monday 3rd January 2022
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Belle427 said:
They used to be thought of as the dogs bks years ago, are they that bad these days?
They were always a fair budget tyre.

They are inferior if you compare them with the OE Michelin Pilot Super Sports on my Boxcart. BUT, they are a lot cheaper. Depends what you want......

TarquinMX5

2,279 posts

97 months

Monday 3rd January 2022
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205/50/15 were std fit on some cars from '96, so shouldn't be a problem.

Tyre Smoke

23,018 posts

278 months

Monday 3rd January 2022
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Personally I like Toyos. I've got them on the wife's MX5, my Rangey and the Chimaera.

Not that I do any track days, so I can't really comment on the jelly baby scenario, but I've always found them brilliant for the road.

Englishman

2,249 posts

227 months

Monday 3rd January 2022
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I'm currently running Toyo TR1's on both my Griff and SEAC.

When I first changed the Griff ones (to T1R's then) back in 2010, I didn't like them at all, 'jelly baby' is actually a great description of how they felt compared to the original Bridgestone's! However, trying out various pressures and eventually deciding a 2psi increase all round over the handbook figures gave the best results, I am very happy with the handling and compliance of these tyres for the road.

TA14

13,183 posts

275 months

Monday 3rd January 2022
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TarquinMX5 said:
205/50/15 were std fit on some cars from '96, so shouldn't be a problem.
205/60/15 were standard fit.

TarquinMX5

2,279 posts

97 months

Monday 3rd January 2022
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TA14 said:
TarquinMX5 said:
205/50/15 were std fit on some cars from '96, so shouldn't be a problem.
205/60/15 were standard fit.
Well, all sorts of sizes were 'standard fit', even just on the front, over the years, depending on whether PAS fitted or not and availability, which was variable even back in the day. (eg. my 'std-fit' fronts were 205/55/15s)

All I'm saying is that 205/50/15 was one of the sizes fitted (front) by the factory; the wheel sizes were the same, so it won't cause a problem for the OP.

TA14

13,183 posts

275 months

Monday 3rd January 2022
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TarquinMX5 said:
Well, all sorts of sizes were 'standard fit', even just on the front, over the years, depending on whether PAS fitted or not and availability, which was variable even back in the day. (eg. my 'std-fit' fronts were 205/55/15s)

All I'm saying is that 205/50/15 was one of the sizes fitted (front) by the factory; the wheel sizes were the same, so it won't cause a problem for the OP.
The chassis started off with 215/50/15. Then, when the Chim was launched it had 205/60/15s because it was supposed to be a more comfortable, cruising alternative to the Griff. Then 205/55/15s were fitted to both cars because the 215s were becoming difficult to locate. Then 225/50/15s were fitted to some cars; some correlation with PAS but mainly just whether the owner wanted the wider tyres. 205/50/15 was not fitted as new.

As posted above, you can still get things like the Yokohama Advan in V rating or the Vredstein in a W rating in 205/55/15. Vredstein even do the original 215/50/15 - bit pricey though.

Having said all of that though, the OP wants to keep Toyos all round so the obvious answer would be to fit 225/50/15 TR-1s as fitted originally to many cars (well, it was TS1s then.)

TarquinMX5

2,279 posts

97 months

Monday 3rd January 2022
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I don't wish, and have no intention, of getting into a slanging match; I didn't work for TVR fitting tyres so can't say "well, I fitted some", however, 205/50/15 are listed in the bible as having been fitted, although I wouldn't want to rely on that as evidence in court wink

Everybody has their own opinion on tyre brands, much like oil, but if it helps the OP my car was fitted with 205/50/15s about 20-years ago and I don't recall any issues.

The diameter difference according to that link, and also the bible, is 20.6mm, rather than the 10mm diameter difference mentioned by OP; the only thing I can think of that might be an issue is the slightly reduced height if the car still has the spoiler, depends where/how you drive smile

Olivera

8,243 posts

256 months

Monday 3rd January 2022
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Toyo T1R are cheap copies of the 15 year and 10 generation old Goodyear Eagle F1 GSD2s, have a google - the tread patterns are identical. They were a good cheap alternative about 15 years ago, but are now absolute junk.

TA14

13,183 posts

275 months

Monday 3rd January 2022
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TarquinMX5 said:
I don't wish, and have no intention, of getting into a slanging match; I didn't work for TVR fitting tyres so can't say "well, I fitted some", however, 205/50/15 are listed in the bible as having been fitted, although I wouldn't want to rely on that as evidence in court wink
If you search back far enough on PH you'll find that Steve stated that he made an error there. It will be about 2003.

Tyre Smoke

23,018 posts

278 months

Monday 3rd January 2022
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Olivera said:
Toyo T1R are cheap copies of the 15 year and 10 generation old Goodyear Eagle F1 GSD2s, have a google - the tread patterns are identical. They were a good cheap alternative about 15 years ago, but are now absolute junk.
In your humble opinion.

Skyedriver

20,915 posts

299 months

Monday 3rd January 2022
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Have a similar problem with my Lotus Excel, original fitment was 215/50/15 but they are virtually unobtainable, one manufacturer and expensive.
Car has Goodyears of this size on the rear but they are so old there's no date on them. Fronts have been replaced with Toyo TR1 205/50/15. (225 won't fit a as they rub apparently.
When replacing the rears, I would like to keep to Toyo as I've been happy with them in the past and they'd match the fronts but tempted to try Rainsprout 5s as there's a lot of good reviews of them. I'll probably procrastinate for far longer than I should. The reason I haven't replaced the tyres on my 350i. (Two sets of wheels, can't decide which to use).

Tyre Smoke

23,018 posts

278 months

Monday 3rd January 2022
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Rainsprout 5? I bet they please the green lobbyists. biggrin

TA14

13,183 posts

275 months

Monday 3rd January 2022
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Skyedriver said:
Have a similar problem with my Lotus Excel, original fitment was 215/50/15 but they are virtually unobtainable, one manufacturer and expensive.
The Vredstein, as above, or the Pirelli P700 or the Dunlop SP Sport 9000

(or the R888)

Mutley00

292 posts

140 months

Tuesday 4th January 2022
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Skyedriver said:
Have a similar problem with my Lotus Excel, original fitment was 215/50/15 but they are virtually unobtainable, one manufacturer and expensive.
Takes me back to when I had an Excel - I seem to recall that virtually no other cars shared their tyre size.

So on our 8th (rubber) Wedding Anniversary, when all my mates are making ooh err jokes about what I was going to give my wife, I took great pleasure in telling them I was driving 100 miles to pick up a tyre for the Lotus :-)