Help, it won't start!!!
Help, it won't start!!!
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neejah

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196 posts

255 months

Monday 15th August 2005
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Well, jumped in the Chimera this morning to come to work, turned the ignition key, and nothing, the fuel pump didn't even cut in (even though I went to start it within 10 secs) and plugging in the immobiliser over-ride key didn’t do anything (standard fit Meta).
I thought that the battery may be a little low (been stood 2.5 weeks) so I put the charger on it, but I put the power lead through the window, and the window went down as normal, which to me would indicate that there should be enough charge in the battery to power a fuel pump!
So to me, it may be looking like an immobiliser fault? I just wondered if anyone had ever come across anything like it? Or what connections to check, where to check and how if possible to bypass the immobiliser?
The more advice the better as I need to sort it ASAP as I need the car for work, and the missus isn't too pleased with me borrowing her car!

Neil

ggt

2,016 posts

263 months

Monday 15th August 2005
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it could be the 100 amp fuse under the car (happened to me once)

mr_lash

28 posts

254 months

Monday 15th August 2005
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Do the lights on the Dash still work?

neejah

Original Poster:

196 posts

255 months

Monday 15th August 2005
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Yes, all the lights on the dash are illuminated, everything seems normal except no fuel pump noise, and no cranking!

snorky

2,322 posts

280 months

Monday 15th August 2005
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the 2 silver fuel pump relays in the footwell ???

neejah

Original Poster:

196 posts

255 months

Monday 15th August 2005
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I'd have thought that it would still turn the motor over if the EFI relay had packed in?

chimalsu

279 posts

267 months

Monday 15th August 2005
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i had same problem last week been for a ride stopped to put some beer in my tank returned to car and nothing after inserting immob key and wiggling it several times she started,its happened once since everything engine wise is dead wiggle imob key and life appears thinking about replacing imobiliser

PeterC

386 posts

298 months

Monday 15th August 2005
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Compared with amps needed to turn the engine and drive the fuel pump, all other things consume very small amounts of power and your test so far are not a true indicator.

If the only change is that the car has not been used for a couple of weeks, then I would suspect that the battery is kaputt.

Remove battery and get it checked and/or try recharging it. I would imagine if it has gone flat and will not hold charge then one or more plates inside the battery could have collapsed and it will never hold the required charge again and needs to be replaced.

IVANHOE

554 posts

259 months

Monday 15th August 2005
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When my fuel pump wouldn't kick in I had a faulty fuel pump relay, the silver ones in the passenger footwell.
Auto leccy sorted it thanks to RT Racing. I didnt even need a new one, the leccy worked his magic. I think you can get them from Land Rover for about £15 if that is your problem.

neejah

Original Poster:

196 posts

255 months

Monday 15th August 2005
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I connected the battery to an Optimate (this morning)I'd bought for the bike, but it's still showing charging, and the car is in the same situation.
I'll leave it overnight, and try again in the morning! I checked the relays and Injection fuse, but they seem fine!
When you turn the ignition on, the fuel pump should prime, but even if it doesn't then the engine should turn over....sound about right?.....Mine doesn't.
The immobiliser light (next to the radio) is extinguishing indicating that it should be turning off.

neejah

Original Poster:

196 posts

255 months

Wednesday 17th August 2005
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Righto, having left the battery charging for a couple of days, still nothing last night! Locked and unlocked it 8 times......nothing!
Spoke to HHC who said to check all the fuses initially (I'd checked only the EFI), so pulled them all out, and they were OK!
But tried it again, and it started!......Stopped it a couple of times and it re-started no problem!
Jumped in it this morning ........nothing! Grrrrr, anyone got any further ideas?

neejah

Original Poster:

196 posts

255 months

Thursday 18th August 2005
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Tried a different battery last night in a vain attempt to get the thing started.....same thing! (Was off my v8 landie so a no cost option tho)
When I checked pins 85 and 86 on the two silver relays, there was no voltage with the ignition on, I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) this would indicate a immobiliser fault.
Can anyone tell me a) where it's located, and b)how to bypass or test it?

travelsveryrapid

516 posts

307 months

Thursday 18th August 2005
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I had the same problem a year or so ago. It turned out to be one of the relays in the foot well.
The car had to go away on a trailer as I couldn't remove the offending relay.

Good luck,

Steve.

wildeep

362 posts

278 months

Thursday 18th August 2005
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Sounds like an immobiliser problem. There are no relays on the starter circuit (although modwise kit sorts this) so even if the fuel pump relay was stuffed the starter shoud crank. The immobiliser cuts the ignition/fuel pump and starter circuits so if its gone south then neither of these will work but your dash lights will still come on. Send me a PM and and i'll email you details of how to test/bypass.

>> Edited by wildeep on Thursday 18th August 10:16

>> Edited by wildeep on Thursday 18th August 10:17

travelsveryrapid

516 posts

307 months

Thursday 18th August 2005
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[quote] so even if the fuel pump relay was stuffed the starter shoud crank.[quote]

Sorry, Didn't read correctly.