450 output
450 output
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markh

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2,781 posts

304 months

Thursday 13th October 2005
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Anyone had a 450 on a RR and know what a 450 should put out, the book says 285, but in the real world.....

coach

1,118 posts

281 months

Thursday 13th October 2005
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Maybe luck at the 240 mark?

C

full_chat

287 posts

305 months

Thursday 13th October 2005
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232bhp @ 5200rpm and 262 lb ft @ 4100

To be taken with a large pinch of salt as with all r/r outputs.

Hope this helps,

Chris

vixpy1

42,699 posts

293 months

Thursday 13th October 2005
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240bhp to 250bhp

V8 Archie

4,703 posts

277 months

Friday 14th October 2005
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vixpy1 said:
240bhp to 250bhp

A man who knows.

Something around 260-280 lb/ft is about right.

>> Edited by V8 Archie on Friday 14th October 03:00

bigdods

7,175 posts

256 months

Friday 14th October 2005
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full_chat said:
232bhp @ 5200rpm and 262 lb ft @ 4100

To be taken with a large pinch of salt as with all r/r outputs.

Hope this helps,

Chris


Austec R/R puts my 450 at 231BHP, 248 Torque at the flywheel. Peak BHP at around 5200RPM, peak torque at around 4000. However - it wasnt running very smoothly during the session and a quick look showed the coil and leads were knackered. Replaced them cars runs much smoother but we didnt have time for another power run to check if it made a difference to the outputs.

As per the quote take it all with a pinch of salt different r/r give varying numbers - The trick is to check that on the r/r you are using that your car matches others of the same type as tested on THAT r/r for output and torque, rather than taking the figures as gospel...



Cider Andy

1,889 posts

254 months

Friday 14th October 2005
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July's Sprint magazine reported a test on seven cars, albeit none of them were a 450, but there was a standard Griffith 500 (260bhp, 280lbft) and a standard Chimaera 400 (200bhp, 220lbft). So it would be reasonable to expect a standard 450 in average condition to drop somewhere in between. Interestingly, a low mileage but well kept Chimaera 400 was putting out 222bhp/260lbft. I suppose 240bhp power and 270lbft torque would be quite respectable.

runt

314 posts

256 months

Friday 14th October 2005
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Puts the claim in the owner's handbook back into 'perspecTIV'..310lb/ft ?

markh

Original Poster:

2,781 posts

304 months

Friday 14th October 2005
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Hmm many thanks chaps, will have mine on the RR next week will keep you posted

Mark

GreenV8S

31,018 posts

313 months

Friday 14th October 2005
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Peak power at 5200 doesn't sound healthy, I suspect you've got considerably more to come when you get the problems sorted.

bigdods

7,175 posts

256 months

Friday 14th October 2005
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GreenV8S said:
Peak power at 5200 doesn't sound healthy, I suspect you've got considerably more to come when you get the problems sorted.


Hmmm. Well I am no expert so wouldnt know - I dont have any problems (well I dont think so anyway!) I just have the power curve from the R/R and it reaches peak at about 5200RPM - the boys at Austec who did the power run told me it was fine and the curve was as it should be for a 450 - just a bit rough with the old leads and coil. And now they have been replaced shes much smoother :-)

225

1,331 posts

255 months

Saturday 15th October 2005
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Well my standard 450 put out 255bhp and 300lb when we met at the Surrey RR. Thats only 30bhp and 10lb torque of TVRs "optimistic" figures. Never been on another RR so can't compare but most people seemed happy with the RR outputs and their reliability.


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>> Edited by 225 on Saturday 15th October 00:52

bigdods

7,175 posts

256 months

Saturday 15th October 2005
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225 said:
Well my standard 450 put out 255bhp and 300lb when we met at the Surrey RR. Thats only 30bhp and 10lb torque of TVRs "optimistic" figures. Never been on another RR so can't compare but most people seemed happy with the RR outputs and their reliability.



Hmm maybe I shoud get to Surrey r/r for a power run - everyone who has posted on here using that have much higher figures than mine ! Be interesting to see the comparison between the two r/r's

Just out of interest, what are the figures you got at the wheels ?

>> Edited by bigdods on Saturday 15th October 12:37

ntel

5,051 posts

269 months

Saturday 15th October 2005
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262.8 BHP @ 5906 rpm....... 266.3 lbft @ 4495 rpm on the Noble Motorsport RR recently. See this thread for the print out.

www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=197100

bigdods

7,175 posts

256 months

Saturday 15th October 2005
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Ive booked myself in for the session :-) Be interesting to see how it compares with the previous result.

V8 Archie

4,703 posts

277 months

Monday 17th October 2005
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bigdods said:
Just out of interest, what are the figures you got at the wheels ?

246bhp at the fly -> 195bhp at the wheels
275-280lbft -> 225lbft

Last year I got 240bhp/270lbft (at the fly) at a different road.

bigdods

7,175 posts

256 months

Monday 17th October 2005
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V8 Archie said:

bigdods said:
Just out of interest, what are the figures you got at the wheels ?


246bhp at the fly -> 195bhp at the wheels
275-280lbft -> 225lbft

Last year I got 240bhp/270lbft (at the fly) at a different road.


See theres another thing that I find confusing. How do they calculate the value at the flywheel - I guess its a percentage loss factor but is it the same for every r/r ? By the graph I have BHP wheels 204 , flywheel 235 - but yours is 195 and 246 surely the loss would be the same (or not far off) for both cars ?

maybe I am misunderstanding how the figures work

v8 racing

2,064 posts

280 months

Monday 17th October 2005
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A 450 is a standard 4.6 range rover engine but with a fast road cam so the potential for % increase is very good, stg 3 heads mark adams chip large induction will see 300 ftlb and 275 bhp

markh

Original Poster:

2,781 posts

304 months

Tuesday 18th October 2005
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It made 273 (pre-set up figure was 236) today but is having another go tomorrow as the running round town is a bit (very) lumpy, but it seems to be heading in the right direction, will keep you all posted.

GreenV8S

31,018 posts

313 months

Tuesday 18th October 2005
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v8 racing said:
A 450 is a standard 4.6 range rover engine but with a fast road cam so the potential for % increase is very good, stg 3 heads mark adams chip large induction will see 300 ftlb and 275 bhp


Don't say that, I was very pleased with the 280lb-ft/265 bhp mine turned out until you said that!