Chimaera overcooling.
Chimaera overcooling.
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Bomber Denton

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8,762 posts

298 months

Wednesday 28th December 2005
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This time of year I find it hard on a run to keep the car at optimum running temp, last year on a long run I blanked off half the radiator, is there any other way of doing it bar changing the otter each season?

ray_von

3,039 posts

282 months

Wednesday 28th December 2005
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I'm no expert but afaik the otter switch turns the fans on at a set temp(88 C ??) so a change wouldn't affect anything because if they come on the engine must be up to temp. However changing the stat might but is it worth it .Maybe stick to the blanking idea

>> Edited by ray_von on Wednesday 28th December 10:46

Bomber Denton

Original Poster:

8,762 posts

298 months

Wednesday 28th December 2005
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My older Chimaera had the higher otter switch which got up to temp further in traffic etc and it seemed to retain it better, this could also be due to it being the earlier model with a grill and narrower bonnet vents.

shnozz

30,646 posts

301 months

Wednesday 28th December 2005
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cant think of much to be honest mate.

Otter switch only relevant if its getting to the temp in the first place.
Thermostat too much of an arse to change every 3 months...

reckon the cardboard idea is the easy way forward. Use black cardboard and you probably wouldnt notice. or sketch "sparco" or something on it

Bomber Denton

Original Poster:

8,762 posts

298 months

Wednesday 28th December 2005
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The beauty of the newer car is you can see right through and I found a page from Razzle always attracted some interest!

sgrimshaw

7,587 posts

280 months

Wednesday 28th December 2005
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It was particularly parky on that run across Dartmoor yesterday Corin, my 4.0L struggled to get above 60 on the guage!

I seemed to use more fuel too, but I guess that could be related ???

Starting to wonder if my thermostat is stuck open - air from the heater was none too toasty either (Mary was freezing in the passenger seat).

Simon

jsr

1,155 posts

280 months

Wednesday 28th December 2005
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My 4.0 is running about 75 in residential areas, but as soon as the speed limit increases, it drops to a shade over 60. It is very cold at the moment and my car runs as you would expect any other time of the year. I'm putting it down to the extreme temps at the moment.

bobcuth

56 posts

251 months

Wednesday 28th December 2005
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I'm new to TVR ownership + Pistonheads - but need to start joining in somewhere.
So - if there is such a thing as comfort in numbers ....
Mine too struggles to get above 60 on open roads in this colder weather. Soon warms up in town or slower driving.
In days of driving Hillman Imp (many years ago) would have been bl**dy delighted!

Bomber Denton

Original Poster:

8,762 posts

298 months

Wednesday 28th December 2005
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Ideally a Chimaera shouldn't really be pushed hard until it hits 70 degrees so 60 is a bit of a no-no!

GreenV8S

31,018 posts

314 months

Wednesday 28th December 2005
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There are very few problems that can cause over-cooling. Running cold almost always indicates that the stat is missing or faulty. Occasionally it is caused by the gauge misreading. If somebody has helpfully 'cured' an overheating problem by tweaking the gauge, then it will read low in the winter.

peter miller

196 posts

282 months

Wednesday 28th December 2005
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If your car is running cool when driving but then rising to normal temp in traffic or when stationary it would suggest that there is not a problem with the system itself, it may just be that the exeptional cold air flowing through the engine bay on its own is enough to keep the temp in the 60 to 70 degree range, and the thermostat is staying shut.
When I drove mine in the cold, I noticed a definate raise in temp after the air splitter had fallen off.

bigdods

7,175 posts

257 months

Wednesday 28th December 2005
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There was an earlier thread on this but couldnt find so...

IIRC the temp sender that makes the dash guage work is affected by the cold airflow throught the engine due to its position. So it misreports the temp of the engine. I can confirm this is the case with my '97 450 which shows about 55 this time of year, yet the heater puts out lovely toasty hot air and the fans kick in if Ive been giving it some stick then sit in a Q for a bit. Temp guage jups up if I sit still for a bit then immediately drops when I start moving again. And I mean a big drop not the normal drop you get when getting air over the rad. In summer the guage works ok and matches the fans kicking in and out. DOnt forget the temp guage sender is not related to the fan otter switch.

So I suspect they all do this - but it doesnt mean you dont have a fault. If your heater is running cold or cool then I would suggest you have a real problem as mines nice and warm.

Maybe the stat is out of order. Quickest way to tell that I have heard is to start with a stone cold engine, pop the top off the swirl pot and start her up. You shouldnt see more than the smallest of motion in the pot and this will usually be caused by the small bleed through holes in the stat. If you get lots of action in the pot then the stat is knackered.

All of the above from memory, I am surely no expert !

Dodsy

bobs4c

314 posts

268 months

Wednesday 28th December 2005
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Mine is the same. Concerned, I started from cold and let it get up to temperature while stationary. Hose to radiator eventually started to get hot as the thermostat opened, then after a while longer the fans kicked in at an indicated approx 88, so all appears ok. Went for a run and the temperature dropped down to below 60. Was initially concerned, but now put it down to the sensor location and a good cooling system! Works fine in the summer, and on track days! Oil pressure shows typical characteristic of initially 45 ish, dropping to 30 when warm. Heater works fine.

Bob the Planner

4,695 posts

299 months

Wednesday 28th December 2005
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Bomber Denton said:
This time of year I find it hard on a run to keep the car at optimum running temp, last year on a long run I blanked off half the radiator, is there any other way of doing it bar changing the otter each season?

Corin,
Is the temp normal when stuck in traffic ? If so then the problem is probably that the thermostat is stuck open. I could also be tested by going for a run and then sitting in a car park with the engine running until the fans come on. If the fans come on at the normal 92 deg then its the thermostat that has probably stuck open. If not then there is a different problem.

andy-w

1,987 posts

256 months

Thursday 29th December 2005
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I had a problem with cool running, temp gauge only went over 70deg when i hit traffic and when i went to change the thermostat it was missing.

Anyway i put one in (30 min job) and on tuesday i drove from newcastle (left at 8pm) to worthing (arrived 1:30am) in the snow so it was very cold and the temp gauge showed 80deg all the way down.

Just take the lid of the swirl tank, start the car and see what the water flow is like. If there is a trickle your stat is probably ok, if it is flowing fast when cold replace your stat.

Bomber Denton

Original Poster:

8,762 posts

298 months

Thursday 29th December 2005
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Thanks everyone!

The gauge indicates near normal readings when stuck in traffic (slightly lower than summer as to be expected) and the heater still blows out toasty air when on a run so i am putting it down to the system being O.K. but just out of curiousity I'm going to change the stat anyway then I know it's done.

Phil Durn

68 posts

253 months

Thursday 29th December 2005
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Same problem with me, barely reaches 70, but in traffic rises to 90, I put it down to the lowered number plate.

Bob the Planner

4,695 posts

299 months

Thursday 29th December 2005
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Today in -7C to -2C mine fluctuacted between 80 and 95 depending on traffic - once it had actually got warm. About the same as I get in summer.

[edit]Oh - it did reduce to about 75 ish when I had the heater on full blast. With the fan on 1 it ran normal temperature. Could the additional cooling be due to enthusiastic use of the heater ? [/edit]

>> Edited by Bob the Planner on Friday 30th December 10:41

stuartc

82 posts

260 months

Thursday 29th December 2005
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rev-erend

21,621 posts

314 months

Friday 30th December 2005
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I believe there are winter engine thermostats available - these should allow the engine to stay warmer - by not allowing as much cold water from the rad .. but I could be talking twadle.

Call your local dealer - I'm sure they will know.