Healthy torque curve?
Healthy torque curve?
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Cider Andy

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1,889 posts

255 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2006
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My car was on the rollers yesterday morning and produced this:



Is it healthy enough for a standard 450?

V8 Archie

4,703 posts

278 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2006
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The shape looks about normal, but it doesn't go very high. I'd say you're OK at the edges but I get to about 270lbft @ c 3950rpm. I believe that is fairly normal.

bigdods

7,175 posts

257 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2006
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Depends on the rolling road (lets not open THAT can of worms!)

Curves look ok, my 450 pushes 260 to 275lb and 231 to 260 BHP at the fly - depending on which road its tested on !

V8 Archie

4,703 posts

278 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2006
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bigdods said:
Depends on the rolling road (lets not open THAT can of worms!)
Br! I put that into my first reply - forgot it after the edit.

DaveAVT

109 posts

246 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2006
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Maybe his rolling road was slightly uphill...

Llanelli-Rob

533 posts

254 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2006
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DaveAVT said:
Maybe his rolling road was slightly uphill...


Handbrake on?

DaveAVT

109 posts

246 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2006
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Llanelli-Rob said:
DaveAVT said:
Maybe his rolling road was slightly uphill...


Handbrake on?


nah, there was roadworks too...

Llanelli-Rob

533 posts

254 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2006
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DaveAVT said:
Llanelli-Rob said:
DaveAVT said:
Maybe his rolling road was slightly uphill...


Handbrake on?


nah, there was roadworks too...


Maybe the big cooling fan infront of the car was holding it back?

DaveAVT

109 posts

246 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2006
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Maybe the 235 horses were actually 3 legged donkeys?...

DaveAVT

109 posts

246 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2006
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lol, what actually is horsepower?

Shire horse, versus My Little Pony....

I can't work it out..

IM

34,302 posts

247 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2006
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I don't understand, why are you slaughtering this guy?

He only asked a question.

>> Edited by IM on Tuesday 23 May 20:44

tahiti450

712 posts

267 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2006
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Cider Andy said:
My car was on the rollers yesterday morning and produced this:

Is it healthy enough for a standard 450?


From what I've picked up that looks very healthy for a standard 450, I assume that the graph show estimated flywheel BHP / torque (otherwise it would be extraordinary!!).

I would be pretty satisfied with that in terms of a health check.

e2djh

8,546 posts

249 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2006
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Had my 450 done recently at Surrey Rolling road.
The car is "factory standard" and produced 264 bhp 280 ft/lb at the fly, and 209 / 220 at the fly.

Charlie felt this was fine for a standard 450.

Llanelli-Rob

533 posts

254 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2006
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IM said:
I don't understand, why are you slaughtering this guy?

He only asked a question.

>> Edited by IM on Tuesday 23 May 20:44


Hardly slaughtering,harmless fun,looks fine to me.

bigdods

7,175 posts

257 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2006
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e2djh said:
Had my 450 done recently at Surrey Rolling road.
The car is "factory standard" and produced 264 bhp 280 ft/lb at the fly, and 209 / 220 at the fly.

Charlie felt this was fine for a standard 450.


ALmost identical to mine, good to see a direct comaprison. On Surrey RR mine gave up 259bhp and 275lb which I was chuffed with :-)

e2djh

8,546 posts

249 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2006
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bigdods said:

ALmost identical to mine, good to see a direct comaprison. On Surrey RR mine gave up 259bhp and 275lb which I was chuffed with :-)


And you also have one of the fast (Blue) ones

theaxe

3,571 posts

252 months

Wednesday 24th May 2006
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dyno said:
Kimera


Cider Andy

Original Poster:

1,889 posts

255 months

Wednesday 24th May 2006
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The car went in for diagnosis of a misfire at low revs, but because of a misunderstanding just went on the rollers as it is. It's going back for investigation next week.

Looking back at other figures posted here for both 4.5l and 4.0l, I thought that although the figures were acceptable they appeared slightly low, although I was more interested in the shape of the curves than the actual figures, hence the question.

As far as that particular dyno is concerned, the only reference point I have is against a 4-litre Chimaera (200BHP/220lb.ft.) and a 5.0l Griffith (260BHP/280lb.ft.), as published in Sprint from July last year. Both cars were standard.

I have a suspicion about wear in the camshaft: would it show up in this graph?

jonnyb

2,590 posts

282 months

Wednesday 24th May 2006
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Cider Andy said:

I have a suspicion about wear in the camshaft: would it show up in this graph?



Yes, in the torque curve. But that looks about right for a 4.5. Although I'm no expert, try showing it to Joolz, he tends to know what to look for.

Cider Andy

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1,889 posts

255 months

Friday 26th May 2006
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Cheers for the replies, guys and a special thanks to DVT Dave or whatever he's called, who presumably is as helpful with his customers.